Yep, the iron head OMs with the 2 stage thermostat cranked out heat
before the thermo allowed any flow into the radiator. A "normal" one
stage thermostat car will get heat in about 5 miles. The Iron head OMs
with 2 stage thermo would be heating in about 2 miles.
Allan Streib via Mercedes
Never had a complaint about my OM617 heat. In fact they have heat faster
than any other car I've owned, as long as you follow the advice to
"drive off as soon as it's running smoothly"
If you try to let it "warm up" idling in the driveway while you make
your morning coffee it takes a lot longer.
> On August 22, 2019 at 8:09 PM Craig via Mercedes
> wrote:
> Hm ... do you remember how well it worked?
Looks like my memory combined two cars.
Minto was definitely the creator of the first one, which was the one with the
car sized condenser under the floor.
I may have missed the window to see supercars up north, but doubt it. The
newer breed of petroleum enhanced employee is a bit less conspicuous about
flashing his ill gotten gains. Nordstrom closed up shop after 44 years in GWN.
I think the early residents had a need to flash and keep the
> Are Peltier chips more or less efficient than heat pumps?
Far, far, far, far less efficient than heat pumps.
-- Jim
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There are lots of complaints about iPhones that turn off in cold weather...
-Curt
On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 5:44:24 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:
Battery life is shorter at higher temps.
They don't want that expensive battery to go over about 90 degrees.
(hmmm, what
Thats actually one of the problems with the '98 Jetta TDI I had, it didn't
made significant heat for about the first 5 miles in the morning.
My 2015 Jetta has heated seats and as it never got all that cold last winter I
don't have a good handle on how it would react.
-Curt
On Thursday,
It'd be like taking a Ferrari (at least the model S) to the arctic, utter
foolishness...
-Curt
On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 1:11:25 PM EDT, Clay Monroe via Mercedes
wrote:
Youngest son is enthralled by Tesla cars. Had a great summer 2018 drooling
over all the examples in SEA, and
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
wrote:
> One that got a cover story in Popular Science, and impressed me when I
> was probably about twelve, involved a gas/steam hybrid drive system.
> The inventor, probably Wally Minto, took an LTD, put a 2.3L Pinto
> engine in
Battery life is shorter at higher temps.
They don't want that expensive battery to go over about 90 degrees.
(hmmm, what temperature is that phone in my pocket, or worse yet, the phone
that's painful to pick up after I leave it in the car?)
And damage can occur at low temps, I think GM turns on
> On August 22, 2019 at 3:43 PM Craig via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> That is correct, which is why in co-generation installations, efforts are
> made to recover as much heat as possible from the exhaust and coolant.
One that got a cover story in Popular Science, and impressed me when I was
Craig via Mercedes writes:
> Peltier chips are much less efficient than heat pumps and have very low
> thermal capacity.
They also aren't very reliable in my experience. I had a litte "dorm
fridge" with that type of cooling to keep some cold beer in the garage,
and it died in about 18 months.
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:57:53 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
wrote:
> IIRC, they have to cool the batteries as well - but I don't remember if
> that's during driving, or only while charging. More heat to put to good
> use regardless ...
> Are Peltier chips more or less efficient than heat pumps? They
On 22/08/2019 2:43 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 06:56:40 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
wrote:
- there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to
motion, probably more like 30%.
My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the
On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 06:56:40 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
wrote:
> > - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to
> > motion, probably more like 30%.
>
> My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the
> energy turns into motion. 1/3 is heat
Hear Here! Well Stated Herr Mann.
Without the taxpayer's robbed dollars, he would never have been. Take
away the gummit tit, and he's a has been. (Or never was) Who were
those guys who sucked the gummit money outa solendra? Nobody knows...
G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 11:06
OK Don via Mercedes writes:
> IIRC, they have to cool the batteries as well - but I don't remember
> if that's during driving, or only while charging. More heat to put to
> good use regardless ...
I'm pretty sure they have to manage battery temperature both ways. Cool
if they are getting too
Yeah, I thought that was hilarious!
Ol Elton Stink is not faring so well without obumster offering the
gummit tit to suck on.
Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 8/21/19 3:25 PM:
Walmart has sued Tesla Inc, accusing it of 'widespread negligence' that led to
repeated fires of its solar
IIRC, they have to cool the batteries as well - but I don't remember if
that's during driving, or only while charging. More heat to put to good use
regardless ...
Are Peltier chips more or less efficient than heat pumps? They can heat or
cool.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Jim Cathey via
Youngest son is enthralled by Tesla cars. Had a great summer 2018 drooling
over all the examples in SEA, and the neighbor has two and just quit working
for Tesla Co. Over this past summer, he was on a quest to view a Tesla in ANC.
I think I found more OM617 power cars there than he did REV.
> A fuel powered vehicle produces heat which is obviously needed for comfort
> and to keep the windows clear.
The auxiliary radiator in a fueled vehicle is one of the most elegant bits of
engineering, ever.
Taking a waste product (heat) and making full use of it for comfort and safety.
REV's
On 22/08/2019 8:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
- there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to motion,
probably more like 30%.
My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the energy
turns into motion.
1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and
> - there is at least a 10% loss in energy transfer from generation to motion,
> probably more like 30%.
My recollection is that in fuel-powered vehicles, only about 1/3 of the energy
turns into motion.
1/3 is heat out the exhaust pipe, and 1/3 is heat out the radiator et al.
On the
I would say there is a very large (read almost unimaginable) amount of money
floating around that gets poured into all sort of things.
HyperLoop, like nuclear power, is an engineering nightmare, and the maintenance
required to keep it working will kill it. His car company still isn't making
Amen
Say on
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 12:07 AM G Mann via Mercedes
wrote:
> Musk is a self absorbed savant... who truly believes only HE has the
> answers and has a long history of failing to hand off empowerment to
> others
> In the world of inventors, through
Musk is a self absorbed savant... who truly believes only HE has the
answers and has a long history of failing to hand off empowerment to
others
In the world of inventors, through history, that has been the kiss of
ultimate failure. My assessment of his pattern says, that is exactly where
I would. He is light on details.
Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 11:09 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't bet against him. A lot of smart investors are believers.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:54 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>
I wouldn't bet against him. A lot of smart investors are believers.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:54 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> On 21/08/2019 4:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> > That's my assessment of Tesla from A to Z. Musk may be smart, but he
>
On 21/08/2019 4:34 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
That's my assessment of Tesla from A to Z. Musk may be smart, but he needs
detail people to keep things in line as he is both unwilling and unable to.
Seen anything about HyperLoop lately? Never gonna get past the random bits
That's my assessment of Tesla from A to Z. Musk may be smart, but he needs
detail people to keep things in line as he is both unwilling and unable to.
Seen anything about HyperLoop lately? Never gonna get past the random bits
testing stage, it didn't work in 1850 for a good reason.
On 21/08/2019 3:25 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Walmart has sued Tesla Inc, accusing it of 'widespread negligence' that led to
repeated fires of its solar systems and asking a court to force Tesla to remove
solar panels from more than 240 of its stores across the country.
Solar energy
Walmart has sued Tesla Inc, accusing it of 'widespread negligence' that led to
repeated fires of its solar systems and asking a court to force Tesla to remove
solar panels from more than 240 of its stores across the country.
Solar energy systems installed and maintained by the electric car
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