> the reason why I am wondering if I should be looking for an older vehicle in
> good shape that does not have a lot of the complicated electrical components
> that all the new vehicles have.
That is the reason I repaired my 'totaled' Dodge diesel, rather than replace it.
My wife thinks that
> The part is probably not available separately anyway and I have no intention
> of buying the whole heater box unit.
This is likely a perfect application for JB Weld, etc. Fabricate/repair
whatever out-of-sight
mechanicalness is necessary, and continue on from there.
The NLA plastic
My 2013 F150 has a small piece broken off of the part that opens and
closes the door in the heater box that controls the recirculate
function. My mechanic son tells me that when I turn the key on, the
computer is trying to determine if that door is closed. I do not have
the automatic climate
> Using that as a reference, a 240D would probably be the last model without
> electronics.
Vegan, or vegetarian? The 'vegan' Mercedes might have to be pre-W115. My W115
200D had electronics in it: the intermittent wiper and the turn signal flasher!
And: radio!
The W123 diesel doesn't have
This is a good distinction, as depending on how you qualify this, the threshold
could be at W123 chassis’ cars, as they had electronics.
Using that as a reference, a 240D would probably be the last model without
electronics.
-D
> On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:56 AM, OK Don via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
To paraphrase what Jim said, electronic control is not synonymous with
computer control. Or, analog vs. digital systems.
Now, I don't have any idea of when the switch from analog controls to
digital controls happened for anything.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:50 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
'Computers' is a nebulous term. I think it's more germane to talk about
what I once was taught to be 'operational definitions'. What you don't
want are electronics in the car that are specific to that model/year, and/or
must be customized (via computer) in order to work in the car. You also
To answer your question, sort of.
I just took in a 1988 chevy/GMC suburban that is the first year GM used
electronic throttle body injectors. Prior to 1988 carburetors. The TBI
injectors are triggered by a timing trigger that is part of the
distributor, and an arcane almost computer controls
Lack of any computer controls is why my BIL chooses to drive a 1983 F150, his
$1000 $hitbox. It’s not much to talk about, but it runs, drives and stops, and
it isn’t totally rusted out…yet.
Kevin in Lexington, NC, still benzless
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> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Clay via
I am thinking the w201 may have been one of the earliest MB to acquire
computers. Probably wrong, though relays could be thought of as computer
gates. Transistors are computers of a sort, need to go back that far?
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clay
I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for
W126 or earlier.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated
> vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of
> things.
>
> How far back would I need to go to where about the
On 2021-10-12 15:57, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer
control would be for the fuel injection?
Computers took over engine management in the 1980s and transmission
control in the 1990s. Late 1990s/early 2000s you started to
: October 12, 2021 2:58 PM
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Cc: rbenn...@bennell.ca
Subject: [MBZ] OT about when did vehicles become controlled by computers?
I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated
vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers
I am starting to think I would like to find another less complicated
vehicle. The newer ones seem to have computers controlling all sort of
things.
How far back would I need to go to where about the only computer control
would be for the fuel injection?
I am thinking, maybe, a Chevy
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