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From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
LarryT wrote:
Unless I have missed something there are no term limits except for the odd
state here and there.
You can be Senator-for-life (witness Edward Kennedy) but not
President-for-life. Amendment 22 (the FDR amendment) put an end to that
possibility in 1951.
Our system of government is a Republic, not a Democracy. The Democratic
Party started to push the term “Democracy” in the 30s to lend more
credibility to the party name and it has stuck ever since. A more correct
set of names for the two parties would be Conservative and Liberal.
In a
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The Presidential veto is part of our three leg government and is necessary
to keep Congress in check. There have been many instances where Congress has
gotten out of control passed a bill that the President has refused to sign
off. The president does not perform this task
Tom,
I agree with your desciption and explanation.
My question then becomes what is the operational, not theoretical but real,
balance and heck for the president?
Dave H... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 26
Feb 2008 09:52:24 -0600 Subject: [MBZ] Our
Well, it seems that lately it's the Pres that's gotten out of line.
Zedic
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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
Tom Hargrave wrote:
The Presidential veto is part of our three leg government and is necessary
to keep Congress in check. There have
John answered that in his email.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Hemsley
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Well, it seems that lately it's the Pres that's gotten out of line.
Well, he should have been impeached, tried, convicted and hung from the
neck until dead years ago.
He loves to issue signing statements when he signs Congress-passed
bills into law. The signing statement
Well put Tom.
Harry
2008/2/26 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Our system of government is a Republic, not a Democracy. The Democratic
Party started to push the term Democracy in the 30s to lend more
credibility to the party name and it has stuck ever since. A more correct
set of names for
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Well, it seems that lately it's the Pres that's gotten out of line.
Well, he should have been impeached, tried, convicted and hung from the
neck until dead years ago.
He loves to issue signing statements when he signs Congress-passed
] Our Political System
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Well, it seems that lately it's the Pres that's gotten out of line.
Well, he should have been impeached, tried, convicted and hung from the
neck until dead years ago.
He loves to issue signing statements when he signs Congress-passed
bills into law
That reminds me of the other curiosity to the US system...term limits. Kind
of says from the start that they won't be any good and then hobbles their
final term with lame duck status.
If you get a good candidate doing a good job, why not let them stay
in? It doesn't do harm to other
: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
That reminds me of the other curiosity to the US system...term limits.
Kind
of says from the start that they won't be any good and then hobbles
their
final term with lame duck status.
If you get a good candidate doing a good job, why not let them stay
You must remember that the English can vote no confidence and change their
leader(s) in a relative heart beat compared to us.
Kind of assures that the Leaders pay attention
Pete
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From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Washington actually begged
We can also impeach our leaders.
Tom
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
You must remember that the English can vote no confidence
Washington actually begged to be let out of being Pres after two terms. In
fact, he was reluctant to do the second term. I don't agree on the need for
term limits.
Canada's most popular Prime Minister was around for 18 years or so,
although not all in a row. Look at Tony Blair, or Thatcher,
Tom Hargrave wrote:
We can also impeach our leaders.
You and I can't, the leader's opposition party can.
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You must remember that the English can vote no confidence and change
their leader(s) in a relative heart beat compared to us.
Kind of assures that the Leaders pay attention
Pete
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Yes, But that takes a huge effort, major polical disruption and a long
time.
Pete
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From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We can also impeach our leaders.
Tom
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: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: 2/26/08 2:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
Tom Hargrave wrote:
We can also impeach our leaders.
You and I can't, the leader's opposition party can
Mitch Haley: He loves to issue signing statements when he signs
Congress-passed bills into law. The signing statement basically says I endorse
this law, but ir really means something entirely different than it says. That
should have been brought to an end the minute it started.
Before
Donald Snook wrote:
Do you know which president promoted these as a way to make law rather than
issue the executive branch's interpretation of the law? BILL FREAKIN'
CLINTON. Clinton also used these much more than President Bush.
So how does any of that conflict with what you quoted me
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From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
Impeachment is not the deterrent, the threat of impeachment is the
deterrent. Same goes for fiscal accountability through the entire
Mitch wrote:
So how does any of that conflict with what you quoted me saying? I never said
Clinton didn't do it, I just said we currently have a problem with Bush doing
it, as you admit he is doing.
Well, here is what your original email said:
Well, he should have been impeached, tried,
Signing Statements mean exactly nothing. The Presdent does not
have the authority to pick and choose which laws he will excute, and
any President who does or pretends to have that authority should be
promptly impeached, convicted, and removed from office.
Peter
Donald Snook wrote:
4. Why do attribute such evil motives to President Bush instead of the 38
prior Presidents who issued these statements.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
I imagine that website is pretty biased, but the end number used in
their figure I've heard from multiple
We can also impeach our leaders.
Ok, but didn't they impeach Clinton? Andrew Jackson? Thomas Jefferson?
Nixon?? It seems pretty toothless and as Pete said, it takes a long time and
a lot of resources..
I'd rather have a no confidence vote and get things done! MUCH more sensible
to
Ok, so here's a loud-mouthed foreigner spouting off of your system of
government. I'd like to here what the Americans on the list would like to
fix in their system.
No, right or left rants, but what do you guys see as a problem(s) that can
be fixed with common sense?
This could be a very
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not as up on my govt. as I should be, but doesn't congress have the
ability to overrule a presidential veto if they reach a certain
majority? There would have to be a corresponding check and balance for
the line item veto. A line item veto makes
Allan Streib wrote:
OTOH quite often leglislative bills are loaded up with stuff
irrelevant to the main subject of the bill, often this is pork to get
support of various representatives -- the line item veto would allow
the President to weed these out.
I agree that there is a lot of 'pork' in
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Allan Streib wrote:
OTOH quite often leglislative bills are loaded up with stuff
irrelevant to the main subject of the bill, often this is pork to
get support of various representatives -- the line item veto would
allow the President to weed these out.
I don't see anything in the sysyem to fix.
Thanks, Tom
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From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: 2/26/08 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
Ok, so here's a loud-mouthed foreigner spouting off
On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Jeff Zedic wrote:
Ok, so here's a loud-mouthed foreigner spouting off of your system of
government. I'd like to here what the Americans on the list would
like to
fix in their system.
I'm sure all the canadians on the list would like to see the americans
just
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our Political System
Ok, so here's a loud-mouthed foreigner spouting off of your system of
government. I'd like to here what the Americans on the list would like to
fix in their system.
No, right or left rants, but what do you guys
The signing statements, are not law, nor choosing which to execute,
but they are being used to tell the executive branch how to execute it
- which has been to effectively ignore or grossly distort the law
under Bush, and probably Clinton, though I haven't looked into his use
of them - it's too
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