Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Rick Knoble
If you own a car made in this century, you probably already own a car with a black box. They have been around a while. http://www.crashdataservices.net/Vehicles.html http://www.crashforensics.com/files/CDRVehicleList.pdf It is interesting that GM was one of the first to use CDR devices and the

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Allan Streib
If there were a way to ensure that the data were only made available in a crash investigation I would not really oppose it. There is something of a "public good" served in being able to show that a person was driving negligently and caused an accident, thus making him more likely to be held respon

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
This is why my "new" car is from 1985. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > However, if you have nothing to hide, it might well save you from > allegations of wrong doing. > > Randy > > On 23/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rolf wrote: > >> I wont own a car with one. >> >> -Rolf >> >> On 7

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell
However, if you have nothing to hide, it might well save you from allegations of wrong doing. Randy On 23/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rolf wrote: I wont own a car with one. -Rolf On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You might be surprised at how big the market would be. Randy On 23/07/2013 3

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Rolf
I wont own a car with one. -Rolf On 7/23/2013 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: You might be surprised at how big the market would be. Randy On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That would be for a very limited market. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 23/

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell
I was thinking more along the lines of an ability to program the box to tell the govt that all was well - the seat belts were fastened with care and the speed limits were being obeyed. Sort of like the aftermarket O2 sensors that tell the car computer all is within specs, often used on hot rod c

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell
You might be surprised at how big the market would be. Randy On 23/07/2013 3:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That would be for a very limited market. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: In the Murray incident, the state owns the

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell
On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the data box. When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read warrants before they sign

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Rich Thomas
A hammer would do it, or any high-voltage source. --R On 7/23/13 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: One would think there will soon be devices available to re-program such a black box. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okieb

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That would be for a very limited market. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 23/07/2013 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > >> In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the >> data box. >> When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
You should join the ACLU. They are all over this. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the > data box. > When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant > for my data box. (unfortunately,

Re: [MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-23 Thread Mitch Haley
In the Murray incident, the state owns the car, and I would assume, the data box. When I own the car, they'll need probable cause to get a search warrant for my data box. (unfortunately, a lot of judges don't even seem to read warrants before they sign them, so that's a minor formality) Mitch

[MBZ] Police start using 'black boxes' in car crash investigations

2013-07-22 Thread Gerry Archer
Nearly every car being manufactured right now comes with a little added bonus by way of a tiny recording device nestled under the center console. And if you're looking to keep your driving habits under wraps, you might want to start worrying. As many as 96 percent of the cars mass-produced in 2013