Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Allan Streib
Alex Chamberlain writes: > Because the way the power grid is currently implemented, economies of > scale are a Bad Thing---distributed power generation would be far more > reliable. The Internet is a fair analogy. For power produced by steam, e.g. burning coal, oil, gas; nuclear, large generati

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Mountain Man
Alex wrote: > ---distributed power generation would be far more > reliable.  The Internet is a fair analogy. I thought there were movements in that direction. Maybe it was steel production that is going to mini-mills. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Rich Thomas
I had this idea a few weeks back that since SC already has nukes, and a nuke waste dump, and a Navy nuke school, and probably nuke bombs laying around too, and a bunch of nuke engineers and whatnot, we should declare SC to be a net energy exporter, build another dozen of those big boys and star

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tim C wrote: > Not sure why everyone is so happy with their little portable power > plants, we're happy enough with economies of scale everywhere else. Because the way the power grid is currently implemented, economies of scale are a Bad Thing---distributed power g

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Tim C
e- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On > Behalf Of Tim C > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:00 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! > > Efficiency is just math.  Not sure how reputable the pap

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Rich Thomas
com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! Efficiency is just math. Not sure how reputable the paper is (Tesla sourced) but the numbers aren't too far off others I

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread pm7088
poop without picking it up. -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:04:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! Northfield is neat, ever been there? I went back in college

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
s Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! Efficiency is just math. Not sure how reputable the paper is (Tesla sourced) but the numbers aren't too far off others I have seen, and they seem to cover the various aspects pretty well: http://www.stanford.edu/group/greendorm/parti

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Walt Zarnoch wrote: Most external burners have a built-in double/triple burn baffle anyways, so as long as the local yocals don't throw in 10 Goodyears... Exactly. The problems come from people who treat the OWB like a trash incinerator, or to a lesser extent those who burn wet unseasoned fir

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Rich Thomas
We're not the only ones who see through this Dan --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310wrote: From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date:

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Peter Frederick
After 9/11, I doubt you and even get to the plant, let alone get a tour. Those days are long gone -- Sabic is installing "crashproof" gates at the plastics plant I work in. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Curt Raymond
Northfield is neat, ever been there? I went back in college, I wonder if they still let people tour the generating floor... -Curt Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:43:24 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! Messa

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Tim C
ough this >> >> Dan >> >> >> --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, >> 53310  wrote: >> >> >>> >>> From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, >>> 53310 >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain&#

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Mountain Man
Peter wrote: > It was bad enough back in the 80's to close the airport in Helena, MT > repeatedly in the winter before the catalyst requirement, now it's only as > bad as LA most of the time. > I used to fly in to Helena as 'self-loadable cargo' on my way to Seattle - my son was a pilot for bank

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Peter Frederick
Helena, MT repeatedly in the winter before the catalyst requirement, now it's only as bad as LA most of the time. Peter -Original Message- >From: Walt Zarnoch >Sent: Aug 3, 2010 9:22 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! > >Most e

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Rich Thomas
produced by coal-fired power plants that pollute the air. We're not the only ones who see through this Dan --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread LWB250
You could do what my psycho survivalist former partner did and go with a wood fired water heating system. His put almost nothing out in the way of smoke when it was running, and he could burn just about anything in it. http://garn.com/ Our first house was an all electric "high efficiency" hous

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Walt Zarnoch
entional inside wood stoves. Go figure... Walt On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > > > > -- > > Peter Arnold > > Windsor, CT > > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread pm7088
-- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 10:08:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! The next house I build will have 8" walls full of cellulose

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Mitch Haley
Walt Zarnoch wrote: And we ALL know that nobody wants nuclear power... Anyone remember the big push for electric everything back in the prime of nuclear power? It was before I was born, but I've read extensively on it, played with a few elec-trak mowers, and seen countless "energy efficient elec

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Walt Zarnoch
ones who see through this > > Dan > > > --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 > wrote: > >> From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! >> To: "Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread pm7088
- Original Message - From: "LWB250" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:00:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! A couple of weeks ago Time magazine had an article about the Chevy Volt. Last week's issue had a very well written

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread LWB250
coal-fired power plants that pollute the air. We're not the only ones who see through this Dan --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain&#x

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-03 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
ssage- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! Green machine: Plug-free electric cars' hidden cost http://www.newscientist.com/

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-02 Thread ernest breakfield
worse, while it's not news, only recently are we starting to even hear whispered mentions in mainstream media of the 'costs' and issues associated with the creation and disposal of the batteries that these things rely on,... and as far as safety, have your wife ask her local firefighters what

Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-02 Thread WILTON
Let's not take any responsibility upon ourselves to do anything; lay it on somebody or something else as much as possible. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: [MBZ] Sa

[MBZ] Say it ain't so!

2010-08-02 Thread Rich Thomas
Green machine: Plug-free electric cars' hidden cost http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19246-green-machine-plugfree-electric-cars-hidden-cost.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http