Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Wonko the Sane
http://www.kcci.com/news/17399648/detail.html Unique approach. > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Donald Snook
Rolf provided the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Thanks, Rolf. I did not know there was a "law" on this. But, I think it makes my point. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http:

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Loren Faeth
Bringing up a reference to Dickarde is worse that referring to nazis At 10:08 AM 9/5/2008, you wrote: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law > >Donald Snook wrote: > > Gary Hurst wrote: "right now, joseph goebbels is looking out from > hell and shaking his head in horror over just what sham

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Gary Hurst
well, i regret using that example now. had i thought about it more, i would have used a non-nazi example as the nazi part was not the point On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law > > Donald Snook wrote: > > Gary Hurst wrote:

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Rolf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Donald Snook wrote: > Gary Hurst wrote: "right now, joseph goebbels is looking out from hell and > shaking his head in horror over just what shameless propagandists these > "neocons" are." > > I have always had a rule that whenever someone makes an arg

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Jim Cathey
> I have always had a rule that whenever someone makes an argument and > compares someone or something to Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust, the argument > (and the person making the argument) can be dismissed automatically. > It is such hyperbole and intellectually (and morally) dishonest to > analogize

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Gary Hurst
and i'd like to add dubya to that rogue's gallery along with lincoln, wilson and FDR. how many other pacifists you figure are also life NRA members? On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:24 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- Original message -- > From: Donald Snook <[EMAI

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Gary Hurst
when we think of propaganda, the nazis and the soviets are generally brought up, but those guys really were minor league compared to the USA. that is my point. not that you or anyone you support is a nazi. there is only one lister i know of who might actually be a nazi sympathizer and he'd likel

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread PM7088
-- Original message -- From: Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gary Hurst wrote: "right now, joseph goebbels is looking out from hell and > shaking his head in horror over just what shameless propagandists these > "neocons" are." > > I have always had a rule th

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Donald Snook
Gary Hurst wrote: "right now, joseph goebbels is looking out from hell and shaking his head in horror over just what shameless propagandists these "neocons" are." I have always had a rule that whenever someone makes an argument and compares someone or something to Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust, the ar

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Loren Faeth
The federal role? Why are you reading the constitution? We are doing our best to get rid of that pesky document. Why do you think we want kids who can't read? In a "perfect" (socialist, marxist, etc) state the government runs everything. The government can decide what is best for people

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Mitch Haley
Loren Faeth wrote: > No bill written by Teddy Kennedy ever had a positive effect. Why is > it a surprise that this bill failed? The White House web page on NCLB openly admits that education has gone downhill since fed involvement became major in 1965, and even admits that some think the soluti

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Loren Faeth
No bill written by Teddy Kennedy ever had a positive effect. Why is it a surprise that this bill failed? At 09:36 PM 9/4/2008, you wrote: >That no child left behind is sure working out real well Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Rolf
Ya working great, Clayton County Ga just became the first public school district in 40 years to lose its accreditation. -Rolf Wonko the Sane wrote: > Uh ... > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:36 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-05 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: > The part where they won't give you any money if you don't play by > their rules. Your local taxes don't even come close to supporting your > schools. But the Constitution of These United States doesn't give them permission to spend money in that manner. When the federation was for

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread OK Don
The part where they won't give you any money if you don't play by their rules. Your local taxes don't even come close to supporting your schools. > What Federal Role is that, anyway? I can't find one word in the document that > formed the federal government which suggests that there is any authori

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
You don't want me to get started on this one. I'd still be out here in the garage banging away on the keyboard -- same email message -- when it is time to hit the shower at 6:30 am tomorrow and go off to work. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wonko the Sane

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Wonko the Sane wrote: > Uh ... > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html My favorite part was under the heading "Transforming the Federal Role in Education So That No Child is Left Behind" What Federal Role is that, anyway? I can't find one word in the document that f

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Wonko the Sane
Uh ... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:36 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rich Thomas wrote: > > This is the Obama world, pandering to the teachers union, no change > > gonna happen there except mo money gonna be thrown at i

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread John Robbins
Rich Thomas wrote: > This is the Obama world, pandering to the teachers union, no change > gonna happen there except mo money gonna be thrown at it. That'sthe > Change You Can Count On. That no child left behind is sure working out real well John ___ http

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread John Robbins
Loren Faeth wrote: > Actually, it is an inverse relationship. Schools with the best > performance have the lowest budgets. Do you have any data on that? Take your kids to the county schools in the rural south... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new p

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Loren Faeth
Apples and oranges. kids went to town for HS. I am talking about the traditional 1-8 or 1-6 one room school. You are talking about Senior level electives with calculus. 90% of the kids at the "science and technology" state universities can't pass calculus now. Foreign language is HS level.

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Bill R
Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] School taxes but how will we exterminate the iraqis at the behest of rush limbaugh and his zionist masters if we spend the money on education. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rolf <[EM

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i think A LOT more students in the atlanta school system are struggling with the intricacies of opening their locker and wonder if that little furry critter is "kat" or "cat" than tackling the calculus. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well now, that seems a bit f

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Rolf
Well now, that seems a bit far fetched, were they teaching calculus, foreign languages and computer programming in those one room country schools? Probably not. I graduated from Atlanta Public Schools and since Georgia routinely ranks in the bottom 48 or lower I think it's safe to say I am quit

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Loren Faeth
People learned far more in one room country schools than in any current government indoctrination centers (formerly known as schools). One Superintendent per county, no PhD required. Cost in today's dollar, is probably a few hundred per student. Now, the administrators and "resources" outnumber

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Loren Faeth
Actually, it is an inverse relationship. Schools with the best performance have the lowest budgets. If you want to see that to the extreme, send your kids to an Amish school. Why are home-schoolers banned from spelling contests? (hint for those who went to public school like me: It is NOT b

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Rich Thomas
No, it is the methods the public schools use. Check out KIPP to see how they take kids in the worst of the worst schools, put them in their program, and graduate all of them (except a few who have to be excused as they are not teachable due to serious issues), and most of those go on to colleg

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Gary Hurst
i'm brand new to public schools and their failure stuns me. they have activities, many of them very interesting, from 8AM to 6PM every weekday and then sometimes beyond that. they have every sort of technology you could imagine, including their own tv studio. and the kids are pretty much 3/4 ret

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:22:19 -0400, Gary wrote: > I'd rather pay for schools than for murder. I wouldn't mind so much if spending money on schools actually _improved_ education. The evidence suggests there's little correlation. --Philip _

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Gary Hurst
right now, joseph goebbels is looking out from hell and shaking his head in horror over just what shameless propagandists these "neocons" are. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please, don't give Rush that much credit, he had neither the brain nor > the brawns. I a

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Rolf
Please, don't give Rush that much credit, he had neither the brain nor the brawns. I am pretty sure PNAC deserves it all. -Rolf Gary Hurst wrote: > but how will we exterminate the iraqis at the behest of rush limbaugh and > his zionist masters if we spend the money on education. > > On Thu, Sep 4

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Gary Hurst
but how will we exterminate the iraqis at the behest of rush limbaugh and his zionist masters if we spend the money on education. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amen. Every dollar spent on the military is worth two to the education > system. We will always benef

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Rolf
Amen. Every dollar spent on the military is worth two to the education system. We will always benefit better from more education and less military. Can't keep building better weapons if we don't have the brains to do it. If you don't like how much you pay in property taxes for education, move. In m

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread Gary Hurst
and why should anyone pay for your genocidal war against the people of iraq? I'd rather pay for schools than for murder. you should too! On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ..Breeders rights = subsidies for people who have kids like child tax > > credits. Why should I

Re: [MBZ] School taxes

2008-09-04 Thread RELNGSON
> ..Breeders rights = subsidies for people who have kids like child tax > credits. Why should I pay for others to have kids?.. > You have been doing it for years if you pay property taxes. RLE > > ** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.