Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It was about two years ago that the Feds announced they would be “adjusting” the flood insurance program premiums to better reflect a particular property’s risk. Needless to say that freaked a lot of people out. It happened, but they tempered it a little so owners didn’t get slammed in one big

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
t; Penoff via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:50 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Dan Penoff > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide > Changes > > That's more our wonderful Federal flood program. Laws and regulations ha

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 9:46 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide >> Changes > ... > Understand that >> homeowners insurance in Florida can be very, very significant. At one time

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
April 21, 2015 9:46 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide > Changes > ... > Understand that > homeowners insurance in Florida can be very, very significant. At one time my > homeowner's insurance

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
little places out on the ends of transmission lines are >> learning this and using it effectively. >> Like most disruptive technologies the big companies are resisting change... >> -Curt >> >> From: G Mann >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Tuesda

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
ig companies are resisting change... > -Curt > > From: G Mann > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of > Worldwide Changes > > Some of the success with solar installa

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
The insurers in Florida freaked out after the major storms in the late 80s/early 90s. They didn't want to accept the losses yet they still wanted to sell insurance in the state. As a result of this, many carriers stopped writing new policies. The state forced them into a pool, much like most st

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread OK Don
When the corporations own the government, the shareholders come first, the citizens last. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > Like most disruptive technologies the big companies are resisting change... > -Curt > > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that act

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
We have similar HOA laws - you cant restrict the installation of solar panels or other equipment. Dan > On Apr 21, 2015, at 11:25 AM, G Mann wrote: > > Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to > legislation that is solar friendly. > > For example, in AZ, a HOA may NOT

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Curt Raymond
il 21, 2015 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to legislation that is solar friendly. For example, in AZ, a HOA may NOT refuse to allow solar panels on your roof. There are

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread G Mann
Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to legislation that is solar friendly. For example, in AZ, a HOA may NOT refuse to allow solar panels on your roof. There are other nuances of law included in the legislation which restrain virtually any act that would come between the

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Curly McLain
Ins can be very significant. Especially if you have to buy wind, fire and flood as separate policies. The wind insurance alone on my daughter's house is $3000+ a year. I figure not paying ins for one year will pay for a roof, and not paying the wind ins for 2 years pays for the roof and some

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
True, but that's what net-zero is. Also, due to things like building codes and insurance requirements, putting a solar array on your roof can increase costs elsewhere. In my case I would probably have to replace my roof, as it's coming up on the point where it needs to be replaced, and as a re

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Curly McLain
I promised more about Helco. FWIW: One of our neighbors was an engineer who helped with the setup of the first windmill farm. He was a great guy. However: Helco/Hawaiian Electric owned an insurance co. Nice way to make a lot of extra money. All was great until Hurricane Iniki hit Kauai.

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Mountain Man
I like this guy: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/15/breaking-news-over-unity-reactionless-generator-invented-in-india/ And then there is Joe Newman in LA or MS who sez he has the same setup. Letting people be off grid is a function of money chasing legislation. Nothing changes, everyth

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread G Mann
In Arizona, which is solar friendly, I have two friends who had grid tie systems installed, under a lease purchase arrangement. Each has 8,500 watts of solar panels on their roof, installed for ZERO down and a 25 yr pay out of about $90 per month. The install can be purchased at any time for the re

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Meade Dillon
I wonder if a dual-circuit set-up would work. Have part of your home load on the PV cells, and ability to load-shed back to utility power when needed. You may not be able to run HVAC and other big resistive loads, but you should be able to run lights / TV / computers / refrigerator / clothes wash

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread G Mann
So much for all the government money spent on promoting renewable energy. One side is screaming,, renewable energy or else, Congress passed a law which requires all utility companies to generate 25% of their power via renewable sources [I think it was Congress, if not some agency did it.] The oth

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Craig
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 13:28:15 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > In my area, the electric utility, TECO, only allows a limited number of > net-zero installs a year. If you don’t get into that group, which is > done at the beginning of the year on a lottery basis, too bad. Yes, but that is having a utilit

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: Nothing, and some have done that. The big issue is that in this climate our largest energy consumer is air conditioning, which is pretty much electricity and nothing else. I’m not quite sure how they are doing solar and covering AC, but it’s being done. PV actually helps

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Nothing, and some have done that. The big issue is that in this climate our largest energy consumer is air conditioning, which is pretty much electricity and nothing else. I’m not quite sure how they are doing solar and covering AC, but it’s being done. Here is an example of a net-zero develo

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Curly McLain
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:40:16 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: Similar situation in Florida. The utilities have a stranglehold on the legislature, and as a result the laws are such that it's near impossible to do residential solar. What could they do if you generated all your electricity and cut yo

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Rich Thomas
SC recently passed a law over the objections of the power utilities to allow home-based solar electric. Apparently third parties will install and lease back the panels and the savings are supposedly fairly reasonable. I live in the woods so don't get much direct sunlight on the roofs or I wou

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Craig
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:40:16 -0400 Dan Penoff wrote: > Similar situation in Florida. The utilities have a stranglehold on the > legislature, and as a result the laws are such that it’s near > impossible to do residential solar. What could they do if you generated all your electricity and cut yo

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Similar situation in Florida. The utilities have a stranglehold on the legislature, and as a result the laws are such that it’s near impossible to do residential solar. Dan > On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Solar is nothing new in Hawaii. 30 years

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-19 Thread Curly McLain
Solar is nothing new in Hawaii. 30 years ago most houses had solar hor water systems, thanks largely I'd surmise to the Jimmay cahtah tax credits. Hawaii retired the first major wind turbine farm nealty 20 years ago. It is not surprising the Hawaii residents want solar electric, nor that HE

[MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-19 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
> HONOLULU — Allan Akamine has looked all around the winding, palm tree-lined > cul-de-sacs of his suburban neighborhood in Mililani here on Oahu and, with > an equal mix of frustration and bemusement, seen roof after roof bearing > solar panels. > Mr. Akamine, 61, a manager for a cable company