At 06:38 PM 7/29/99 EDT, Ernst Mayer wrote:
>>In fact, is the DWT patented?
>
>Crandall and Fagin published the details in 1994 in Math. Comp., which
>(I believe) precludes any patenting. Had they patented it first, they
>would be licensing others to use it, meaning that the EFF money would
>likel
When I got back from vacation, I had about 300 messages from Mersenne. Some
I tossed based on sender, some on topic, but a most I just skimmed. Sure, I
probably missed something I care about, but only you can figure out what you
care about.
If you think it is off topic, feel free to take it pri
> Can we cut the crap on this list?
Hear, Hear! Especially the neo-poaching thread. This is simply too
volatile and pointless a thread to waste our time on.
Quite frankly, I'm also getting kind of annoyed with "When do you think
we will see a [power of ten] digit prime?" type questions also, t
Can we cut the crap on this list? Better yet, can we have
another mailing list that is just announcements? The threads
are getting ridiculous. I switched to "digest", but I'm afraid I'll
miss the one important announcement among the 100 pieces
of less useful email.
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Lucas Wiman wrote:
>Even if they (George and Scott) did this, then there would
>still be MacLucasUNIX, or everything else in the mers package, as well as
>Ernst's program, and good ol' lucas.c. Any of these could be used. We've
>really got to put our feet back on the ground here. If we did p
From: Yvan Dutil
> I my own opinion we are finishing the number slower than the
> progression of the computer power. Therefore we should never
> reach this cross-over.
Of course everyone's personal point of view on this will depend on their own
hardware, but I started in pre-Primenet days with a
Noo not again!
BTW, we'd place higher if Primenet credited out account for the work my
UltraEnterprise4000 and RS/6000 are doing... Is this ever going to change or
is this a permanent thing where only x86 clients get credit?
Oh, and I compiled MacLucasUNIX with Sun's C compiler inste
Mersenne DigestThursday, July 29 1999Volume 01 : Number 606
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:59:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mersenne: Fermat Number F24
In response to the message from...
Fro
> Solving, we see that the average GIMPSter runs a machine that is
> never used
> for anything and is left constantly on for 24 hours a day with a P87.74
> processor. (Obviously by the machine tabulation above, the
> average GIMPSter
> runs a significantly faster computer, but doesn't leave it on
> I use almost only relatively slow computers. More than 100 of them. If
> they are only 1/5 as fast as what some people think is apropiate,
> it means
> that they can do 100 tests in the same time as an appropiate machine does
> 5. While a very few people think I should stop using those comput
> > I hope they're at least running P166s by now.
>
> Well, I'm still running a trio of P100s, as well as a quintet of
> PIIs. They're a damn sight better than nothing; running a LL test on
> an exponent in the 8 million range would be painful, but not half as
> painful as testing a 10 million dig
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Well, not only are our machines getting faster as people see the light and
upgrade for the good of the project (more likely because their copy of Duke
Quakem 64 won't run on old computers, hee hee), people may be leaving them on
longer/shorter, and we always have new people joining. So GIMP
> Aaron Blosser wrote:
>> Of course the last time we got into this (poaching thread) we learned that
>> there are people out there who insist on running first time LL tests on
>> P-60's and what not. :-(
> I really get annoyed with remarks like this. I don't think I commented
> on the last go aro
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Griffith, Shaun wrote:
> >%_>US: million 10^6, billion 10^9, trillion 10^12 ...
> >
> >Non-US: million 10^6, milliard 10^9, billion 10^12,
> > billiard 10^15, trillion 10^18 ...
>
> That's why a billiard table is so big!
If the cue to get in the pool is that long, it's not w
On 29 Jul 99, at 3:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I hope they're at least running P166s by now.
Well, I'm still running a trio of P100s, as well as a quintet of
PIIs. They're a damn sight better than nothing; running a LL test on
an exponent in the 8 million range would be painful, but not hal
> I have been doing this a lot longer than you have been Aaron, and I am
> using a P90, and a P233. For someone to tell me that I CAN'T process
> first LL tests and have a chance, (slim as it may be), to find the next
> largest prime is total B.S. I am not high on the rankings, because some
> of
Aaron Blosser wrote:
>
> > < > Not everyone
> > can afford a PIII/550.>>
> >
> > I hope they're at least running P166s by now. What's the average
> > machine a
> > GIMPSter runs, assuming that the average machine runs 24 hours a day? I
> > remember it being P181 a while ago, I think.
>
> Of cour
On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 08:20:31AM -0600, Aaron Blosser wrote:
> It doesn't really matter when we reach that point, IMO.
No, of course it doesn't matter, it was just a curiosity. The spaceship
equivalent of GIMPS would be to maximize the number of landed spaceships at the
destination. In that cas
> I hope they're at least running P166s by now. What's the average machine a
> GIMPSter runs, assuming that the average machine runs 24 hours a day? I
> remember it being P181 a while ago, I think.
This brings up a very interesting question, what is the average speed of a
machine participating in
At 11:36 PM 7/28/99 -0700, Greg Hewgill wrote:
>No doubt you've all heard about the paradox of Man's first interstellar
>voyage.
>If we were to build and launch a spaceship today that would take us to the
>nearest star in, say, 100 years, then a better spaceship launched later would
>arrive soone
>When will we reach the crossover point in GIMPS, where it's better to wait
for
>a faster computer, than to start an LL test today? If we assume that Moore's
>Law holds (computing speed doubles every 18 months), then it would seem that
>the crossover point would be when an LL test takes 3 years (1
> ** I think the best solution is a simple one. EFF should add the very
> simple
> requirement that the prize will be awarded to anyone finding the first 10M
> digit prime ***using their own code***. They must provide the source code
> in
> claiming the prize.
But that just begs the question of
Title: Billions and Billiards
>US: million 10^6, billion 10^9, trillion 10^12 ...
>
>Non-US: million 10^6, milliard 10^9, billion 10^12,
> billiard 10^15, trillion 10^18 ...
That's why a billiard table is so big!
> < Not everyone
> can afford a PIII/550.>>
>
> I hope they're at least running P166s by now. What's the average
> machine a
> GIMPSter runs, assuming that the average machine runs 24 hours a day? I
> remember it being P181 a while ago, I think.
Of course the last time we got into this (poaching
> No doubt you've all heard about the paradox of Man's first
> interstellar voyage.
> If we were to build and launch a spaceship today that would take us to the
> nearest star in, say, 100 years, then a better spaceship launched
> later would
> arrive sooner provided our technology advanced fast e
We can't STOP the EFF from awarding money. But we can't and SHOULDN'T change
any way in which it's being done now, which includes dividing up money in
some Jabibbian manner. In my opinion, as long as _nothing_ changes with
what's being done now, GIMPS isn't really in danger. Jump-aheaders will
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