Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi there, I remember that one of the probes took by chance a picture of a meteor in the Martian sky, does anyone remember the link to the picture? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris Peterson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8.

Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040311a/Earth_Sol63A_U FO-A067R1_br.jpg Sorry for wasting bandwith, I just found the picture. Was by spirit on Sol 63. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040311a/Earth_Sol63A_U FO-A067R1_br.jpg -Ursprüngliche

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite Fell In TheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Chris, and exactely Svend, India has a long collecting tradition that rivals that from European countries. That it also the reason for Indian falls ranking among the most expensive meteorites in Cohen's and Ward's price lists. Perhaps the list-member of India can give us some more historical

Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteor Photo

2007-08-09 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Martin, List, First observation of a meteor in the Martian atmosphere: http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/jun05/meteor.en.shtml by Franck Selsis, Mark T. Lemmon, Jérémie Vaubaillon, and James F. Bell. The article is also in the magazine Nature, where it costs 30 US$ to read, all part of the

Re: [meteorite-list] A Very Disturbing Act of Cowardice

2007-08-09 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
I repeat, seen you not understand nothingI not condemed nothing, I seen is many strange a collector give over $1000/gr. for a normaly chondrite fall now, and pay $667/gr. for a eucrite when for a historical similar material, and for many under this prices, you have the same material. matteo

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite Fell In TheirCourtyard inIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Chris, Some figures: The museum of the Indian Geological Survey opened in Calcutta in 1856, in 1867 the meteorite collection there already had 247 specimens. London achieved that number of specimens (250) not before the 1880ies. Berlin, although they had acquired the collections of Chladni

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite Fell In TheirCourtyard inIndia

2007-08-09 Thread barrat
Martin, your answer to Chris is just perfect... cheers Jean-Alix Barrat Hi Chris, Some figures: The museum of the Indian Geological Survey opened in Calcutta in 1856, in 1867 the meteorite collection there already had 247 specimens. London achieved that number of specimens (250) not

[meteorite-list] Walter's Bills and his Ebay Auctions

2007-08-09 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello All, .. and I really mean *all* of us! What happened to Walter earlier this year or to Elton a few days ago, is surely the last thing anyone needs. But, these things happen almost daily, unfortunately, ... and the consequences can be excruciating! It usually happens to others, not to us,

Re: [meteorite-list] Donations for Walter

2007-08-09 Thread bernd . pauli
Bernd, what address can I send a donation to? Mark Bernd, Where do I Paypal to? Thanks Nels Hello All! Donations toward helping Walter keep some of his meteorites (and help pay medical bills!) are being accepted via Paypal to Maria Haas's account at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail-mail donations to

[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending

2007-08-09 Thread Jim Strope
Good Morning All I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com. ALL started just at 99 Cents!!! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcatchafallingstar.com Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's website:

Re: [meteorite-list] Walter's Bills and his Ebay Auctions

2007-08-09 Thread Mal Bishop
Dear list, I wholly agree with Bernd's sentiments and plea for all of us to commit an act of selflessness in a very noble effort to help, not only another human being in serious need, but in a very true sense of the definition, a family member. So want everyone, who can, hold back a few

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite Fell InTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Peterson
Hi Martin, Svend- To be clear, I wasn't referring to Indian meteorite collections, or the ultimate ability of Indian geologists to discriminate meteorites from meteorwrongs, but the general understanding of the science behind meteorite falls. I think there are certain countries that are much

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite FellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Chris, And while media stories about suspected meteorite falls tend to be of poor quality regardless of origin, this is not universally so in the U.S. or Europe. I wouldn't second that It's rather accidentally, if suspected US- and European falls find in the first days a careful reporter

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite Fell InTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread barrat
Hi Chris, Sorry, but a sentence like I wonder if there's a single scientist in India who knows a thing about meteoritics? is extremely shocking. I am nearly sure that you can meet scientists as you described everywhere in the world, i.e. in Europa of course, and probably in USA as well! But

[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - August 8, 2007

2007-08-09 Thread Ron Baalke
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Martian Dust Begins to Settle -- Right on Top of the Solar Arrays - sol 1268-1273, August 8, 2007: Spirit is healthy and continues to ride out the dust storms on Mars. In fact, atmospheric dreariness has improved in the last few

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite FellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread info
Chris wrote: I think there are certain countries that are much more likely to embrace bad science or pseudoscience (India and Russia come immediately to mind). You mean like countries where creationist theme parks attract the crowds and where nearly half the population believes the earth is

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite Fell In TheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Stefan Brandes
Some figures: The museum of the Indian Geological Survey opened in Calcutta in 1856, in 1867 the meteorite collection there already had 247 specimens. natural history collection since 1748 J Greetings from Austria Stefan The Natural History Museum of Vienna possesses one of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite FellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread mark ford
half the population believes the earth is less than 1 years old ... Well here in Britain, half the population don't even care how old the earth is at all, let alone believe an actual date!! Lol :) Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

[meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo STAMP. First stamp in 3D

2007-08-09 Thread Eduardo.
Hi There is a new stamp of the Campo del Cielo meteorites. The block has a stamp of the Chaco meteorite, the main mass of Campo del Cielo. Also pictured in the block is a drawing of the Campo del Cielo Fall. The most amazing thing about this stamp is that the Chaco photo is IN 3- D!. THIS IS

[meteorite-list] Possible meteorite impact in Hungary?

2007-08-09 Thread Bishop
Got this off of the meteorobs list. What does anyone know about this? http://www.fn.hu/kepkatalogus.php?catid=1169 Looks to me as if someone got pretty imaginative and had access to a backhoe/ excavator. :-) It is very obvious a hoax. Dimensions are all wrong. Were is the impactor

[meteorite-list] Possible meteorite impact in Hungary?

2007-08-09 Thread Bishop
After looking at the photos again carefully, and reading what someone posted in response on the meteorobs list, it does appear to be more of a blast crater from explosives ( or a bomb?) rather than dug out with a backhoe or whatever. I noticed in one or two of the photos the tree/brush line

Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

2007-08-09 Thread Francis Graham
Hello Doug, Sterling, and list, Thanks for the info. I will pass on buying it, though. It looks too psionic. But yes, I agree Doug, it may be a device that produces some sort of a field effect which of course can be interpreted as a positive reponse to anything. The key is in its utility. For

[meteorite-list] Texas Ebay Meteorwrongs

2007-08-09 Thread Paul
Dear Friends, Judging from the latest eBay listings, a complete strewnfield of meteorwrongs has been found in Texas. :-) :-) :-) They can be seen at: A picture of the “crater”, with which they are associated can be seen at: http://i24.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/ag/f4/bc6a_12.JPG The specific web

Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
Hi Doug, perhaps that creative inventor saw this serial movie: Phantom Creeps, chap.3 - Crashing towers Starring: BELA LUGOSI, ROBERT KENT, DOROTHY ARNOLD Synopsis: Mad scientist conducts bizarre experiments and developing secret weapons of warfare, such as an invisibility belt, an 8-foot

[meteorite-list] The Temple City Crater

2007-08-09 Thread Martin Altmann
Nice: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/ufos/index.html Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] The Temple City Crater

2007-08-09 Thread David Weir
Martin Altmann wrote: Nice: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/ufos/index.html Martin If a child had dug it, we'd know it by now, Jackson said. There would have been knee marks around the crater. That's a lame conclusion if you ask me. It was a 2-ft crater before the

[meteorite-list] Australian Researchers Discover Some of the Oldest Forms of Life

2007-08-09 Thread Ron Baalke
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-08/ra-urd080607.php Public release date: 6-Aug-2007 Contact: Dr. Miryam Glikson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 61-754-785-557 Research Australia http://www.researchaustralia.com.au UQ researchers discover some of the oldest forms of life University of

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite FellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Jason Utas
And speaking as an American, when half of this country not only believe in god, but actually believe that the earth was created between four and eight thousand years ago by their deity, that the biblical flood truly happened, and that judgement day is approaching, I think you, Chris, have great

Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?

2007-08-09 Thread Armando Afonso
No atmosphere? Where did you hear that? - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation? Hi Everyone- Assuming Mars

[meteorite-list] Intro the muck once again

2007-08-09 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi all - I wrote: That point may be placed between say about 45,000 BCE and 8,249 BCE.? Paul wrote: Contrary to what Mr. Grondine claims above, none of the projectile points reported by Hibben (1943) has been dated as being older 11,000 BP. What I claimed was between. Last time I checked

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims Meteorite FellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Peterson
Hi Svend- I think it relates to cultural differences, which are real if somewhat politically incorrect to acknowledge. Russia has a long history of accepting pseudoscience inside its mainstream scientific and educational communities- something that continues to this day. Research into

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread batkol
sorry that chart didn't come through right.here's the link, it's easier http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm it shows the percentage by groups of Americans that believes in creationism. if the general public could tell what makes an expert credible, someone else would be

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Peterson
I've read what I consider some credible analyses of these types of polls suggesting that they do not accurately reflect actual beliefs. This is in part because of the way questions are designed, and in part because in matters of dogmatic belief, people often answer pollsters in a manner

[meteorite-list] What size of stone?

2007-08-09 Thread Michael Murray
Hi List Re: Even a meteorite of small size can cause a big damage I'm not trying to argue with the statement reported in the news article recently but wonder what would the qualifiers for it be? I'm sure it's true to a point but... I have some small pieces that probably would only make a

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread batkol
Furthermore, even amongst the general public, there seems to be an understanding of what makes an expert credible, and unscientific beliefs are largely kept separate from scientific beliefs. where do you live? The Gallup Organizations periodically asks the American public about their beliefs

Re: [meteorite-list] Family ClaimsMeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread MARK BOSTICK
I agree with Chris although he likely could have worded himself a little better. Our peer review system keeps pseudoscience out of the scientific field, with little exception, which is something MOST, but not all, countries seem to lack. The poll numbers quoted also seem quite a bit off to

Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Sergey Vasiliev
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Re: [meteorite-list] Family Claims MeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Peterson
Hi Sergey- I've been in India many times, and for extended periods. During most of those times, I was working with scientists and physicians, so I feel quite confident about my comments that Indian scientists (a generalization, of course) do often see the world differently, and also that the

Re: [meteorite-list] FamilyClaimsMeteoriteFellInTheirCourtyardinIndia

2007-08-09 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, All, the creationist theme park... if I remember right is in Illinois... As a humble Son of the Prairies and a native of Illinois, I would like to point out that the Creation Museum is in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, in the greater Cincinnatti area: Creation Museum 2800 Bullittsburg

[meteorite-list] Meteorite falls from sky, startles Arizona residents

2007-08-09 Thread MexicoDoug
Meteorite falls from sky, startles Arizona residents Beth Duckett The Arizona Repulic Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:33 EDT SCOTTSDALE - Stanley Fosha is looking for what woke him early Wednesday morning with a giant flash of white light and a thunderous boom. The sky erupted around 2:15 a.m. near his