Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew - first you cut up the Mammoth

2007-12-20 Thread Jason Utas
Hola Sterling, E.P., All, Concerning recent impacts (12,000 years old), what I've noticed over the years is that some people go into denial, and those denial mechanisms are sometimes really pretty bizarre. It's tough to accept on a gut level that as things now sit you, your family, your

Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska-- the movie

2007-12-20 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Darren, List Where I read this, I just walked around saying Ah-ha! Ah-ha! for about five minutes. I watched their eight movies and with particular interest, the cross-sectional ones that show the curly tongues of fire extending down. I am irresistibly reminded of all those old medieval

[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 20, 2007

2007-12-20 Thread SPACEROCKSINC
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_20_2007.html **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list

[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending

2007-12-20 Thread Jim Strope
Good Morning All I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com. Auction style were started at just at 99 Cents!!! In addition there a lot of Buy-it-now offerings as well. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcatchafallingstar.com Full recap with photos on Paul and Jim's

[meteorite-list] Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread bernd . pauli
.. arrived today and I must tell you that it is out-of-this-world! My 11.9-gram endcut can keep you busy for hours!!! Its dark-brown crust still shows traces of black, glossy fusion crust and the abundant colorless, pale bluish or even pale greenish but *limpid* maskelynite crystals clearly

Re: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread jbaxter112
I second Berndt's opinion. I have never seen a eucrite like this. My slice also captivated me under the microscope-amazing complexity and variety! Easily an order of magnitude more beautiful under the microscope than any other eucrite I've seen. Jim Baxter .. arrived today and I must tell you

[meteorite-list] Meteorites, Sun, Moon, Stars, and Comets in World Languages updated 20DEC07

2007-12-20 Thread drtanuki
Dear List, The world word lists have been added to and updated: Meteorites: 97 languages http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx Sun: 205 languages http://meteoritesjapan.com/sol.aspx Moon: 203 languages http://meteoritesjapan.com/luna.aspx Stars: 169 languages

Re: [meteorite-list] Saturn's Rings May be Old Timers

2007-12-20 Thread mexicodoug
Larry wrote: something like 30 years ago. It would be nice if people gave credit where credit was due. Hi Larry, List, I agree with your complaint that it is a more satisfying existence to give credit when expressing ideas, to those upon whose shoulders one is peering from. The press and

Re: [meteorite-list] QMIG update

2007-12-20 Thread E.P. Grondine
G'day, Bob - You wrote: All you have to do is look up the Queensland finds on metsoc to realise which of the major players and doyens of the meteorite community have been involved in illegal export - you'd be surprised once you figure out exactly who... Well, don't keep us in suspense

Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for 2x2x3/4 Clear plastic/acrylic cases (Don Merchant)

2007-12-20 Thread Gary K. Foote
Try Mike Gallant's site; http://www.migacorp.com/micromount_displays.htm Gary __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] Tunsguska the movie

2007-12-20 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Sterling: You wrote: I wonder how many years (decades) it will take for this lesson to sink in? I'm not optimistic. Go back to this archive, and look at some the of posts here on impacts from reasonably intelligent people. The Hibbens discussion, the Homo heidelbergensis discussion, and

[meteorite-list] Lightest material

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Murray
Hi Listers, A question if I might please... What is the lightest-weight major constituent matrix material found in meteorites? Is it a type of hypersthene possibly? Does someone have an unusually light-weight specimen they would share information on? Thanks in advance to anyone offering

Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew, then you take the pieces back to your fire

2007-12-20 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Jason - You wrote: Well, probably, though we have no real proof of their having been blasted to death *anywhere.* Denial takes many forms. I'm not an idiot. No one said you were. It simply that your efforts to rationalize away the deaths from these impacts is reducing your replies to

Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew, just right

2007-12-20 Thread mexicodoug
It's even hard to predict the exact results... Hola Listees, Yes, this is what Larry and I had already stated, Sterling. While on the subject of James Clerk Maxwell, I wanted to add two interesting footnotes, (1) Decated to Sterling, a guitar fellow with Maxwell (and not to forget E.P.'s

Re: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Murray
Any chance you might share a pic or two? Sounds interesting. Michael Murray micro hunter of SW Colorado __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

[meteorite-list] ebay Big Claxton ending

2007-12-20 Thread mckinney trammell
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasis accepting fair-market offers on all of the above. fear not the high prices- after all, it was 20-cent listing day, so it's go big, or or home. those prices are merely a formality- not a reality.

[meteorite-list] Fake Moldavites

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Farmer
Hi everyone, I am finally getting back in order after the Tokyo show, jet-lag has set me back a day or two. One thing of note from the show, there is an explosion of fake Moldavites being made in China now. We saw several jewelery dealers selling them, incredible perfect looking large pieces, all

[meteorite-list] More on Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite

2007-12-20 Thread bernd . pauli
Michael M. wrote: Any chance you might share a pic or two? Sounds interesting. Hello Michael and List, Greg already did so some days ago, on Thu, Dec 13 - see below. Oh, and while we are at it: Meanwhile I noticed that this cosmic spider web is not limited to the cut surface of my endcut

Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Moldavites

2007-12-20 Thread bernd . pauli
Mike wrote: They were mostly set in wire as pendants, and when put side by side, you could clearly see them as identical, made in a mold. I have found one of the same on ebay, at a very high price. http://cgi.ebay.com/Czech-Moldavite-200-5-Carat-Green-Meteorite-Tektite_

Re: [meteorite-list] Greg Hup é 's gorgeous NWA 48 83 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread Michael L Blood
Christmas Geetings, Bernd, Kan't you give us a photo link, now that you have us All tripping over our tongues? Best wishes, Michael on 12/20/07 5:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. arrived today and I must tell you that it is out-of-this-world! My 11.9-gram

Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Modalities

2007-12-20 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi Mike, I had heard this and passed it on well over a year ago. Collectors And dealers alike seemed to promptly ignore me and acted as though I were spreading some horse pucky as a sales pitch. So, I just shut Up about it. However, your having SEEN these fakes at a show and

Re: [meteorite-list] Tunsguska the movie

2007-12-20 Thread Michael L Blood
on 12/20/07 10:12 AM, E.P. Grondine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS - Barringer crater is a mile across, not a kilometer, as I wrote earlier. Thus, assuming neutrons are released in impact, and that this results in higher C14, then from the radio-calibration correction charts Firestone cited,

Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Moldavites

2007-12-20 Thread Andreas Gren
Not to forget, the small bubbles in the real Moldavites and the Schlieren in the real Moldavites, like the Schlierenbands in some Ataxites Bubbles: http://moldavit.de/foto/fsammlung3.htm Schlieren: http://moldavit.de/foto/fsammlung2.htm Best regards Andi Mike wrote: They were mostly set in

Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Moldavites

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Farmer
Yes, these fake Chinese pieces are perfect, with great color and no flaws. That lack of flaws should be the first indication of authenticity. They are melting glass and pouring molds. Michael Farmer --- Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to forget, the small bubbles in the real

Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew - first you cut up the Mammoth

2007-12-20 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Jason, and the List, Don't want to do a full-court press here or have a knock down drag out. The point of atmosphere not a factor in that size range is merely that an impactor that makes a one kilometer crater is not going to be stopped from reaching the surface by the Earth's atmosphere;

[meteorite-list] Another meteorite claim

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
Check out the photo with the article. http://www.dailypressandargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS01/712200310/1002 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net

Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew, just right

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:29:13 -0600, you wrote: If a comet makes a close pass to Earth once, will it eventually make closer and closer passes until we collide? Why? But if enough of them gang up against us, they can toss us out in the cold!

[meteorite-list] New and True Aubrite - NWA 4799 - AD

2007-12-20 Thread Greg Hupe
Dear List Members, For my final Rare and Special offering of 2007, but certainly not the least, I would like to introduce NWA 4799. It is Northwest Africa's first and only true Aubrite. This meteorite finally puts to rest to what a true NWA aubrite should look like, I am even offering a 100%

Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew, then you take the pieces back to your fire

2007-12-20 Thread Jason Utas
E.P, All, Well, probably, though we have no real proof of their having been blasted to death *anywhere.* Denial takes many forms. Show me proof. Show me blackened bones. Oh, that's right - there isn't any. As I said before, I won't say that such events haven't happened, because in all

Re: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread Greg Hupe
Hi Bernd, Jim, Michael and all who love exotic meteorites, Thank you Bernd for your great observations of NWA 4883, a fantastically gorgeous maskelynite-rich eucrite. The pools of maskelynite are awesome to look at through a microscope along with the rest of this beauty. Michael asked where

Re: [meteorite-list] Lightest material

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Murray
Hi List, I think I may have answered my own question at least partially. Probably the matrix of a c-chondrite is the lightest in weight. I guess I wasn't thinking about them when I asked that. Anyone have anything else that is a lightweight? Mike

Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Moldavites

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:16:45 -0800 (PST), you wrote: They are melting glass and pouring molds. Hence, mold-a-vites. See, they are being up-front about it after all! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list

Re: [meteorite-list] Tunsguska the movie

2007-12-20 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Michael, List, Michael wrote: If you want a lesson in denial, read the archives on the HUGE number of list members regarding the denial of Global Warming. And this is a list consisting of people WAY above average in both intelligence and educational Achievement. 1. PLEASE, nobody start

[meteorite-list] Another meteorite claim

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
Check out the photo with the article. http://www.dailypressandargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS01/712200310/1002 Here's an upsampled copy of the photo: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/dec2007meteormaybe.jpg __ http

Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew - first you cut up the Mammoth

2007-12-20 Thread Jason Utas
Hola Sterling, All, Don't want to do a full-court press here or have a knock down drag out. The point of atmosphere not a factor in that size range is merely that an impactor that makes a one kilometer crater is not going to be stopped from reaching the surface by the Earth's atmosphere;

Re: [meteorite-list] Tunsguska the movie

2007-12-20 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi Sterling and all, Sterling, you are right about my comment. Please accept my apology. Agreed: No GW thread! Sincerely, Michael on 12/20/07 3:26 PM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Michael, List, Michael wrote: If you want a lesson in denial,

[meteorite-list] Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread Greg Hupe
Hi Bernd, Jim, Michael and all who love exotic meteorites, Thank you Bernd for your great observations of NWA 4883, a fantastically gorgeous maskelynite-rich eucrite. The pools of maskelynite are awesome to look at through a microscope along with the rest of this beauty. Michael asked where one

Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite claim

2007-12-20 Thread Ken Newton
://www.dailypressandargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS01/712200310/1002 Here's an upsampled copy of the photo: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/dec2007meteormaybe.jpg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite claim

2007-12-20 Thread Ken Newton
Garrison wrote: Check out the photo with the article. http://www.dailypressandargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS01/712200310/1002 Here's an upsampled copy of the photo: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/dec2007meteormaybe.jpg

Re: [meteorite-list] Tunsguska the movie

2007-12-20 Thread Jerry
Global Warming is not the issue. Causes, including human, continue to be contentious. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007

Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite claim

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Farmer
://www.dailypressandargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071220/NEWS01/712200310/1002 Here's an upsampled copy of the photo: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/dec2007meteormaybe.jpg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list

Re: [meteorite-list] Typical large meteoroid entry angle

2007-12-20 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Rob, Jason, List, I meant angles to be referenced to the horizon. Zenith = 90 degrees; Horizon = 0 degrees. I also mean a local polar coordinate system with 0, 0 at ground level, crater center. Probably a flat Earth too, while we're at it. If it was good enough for... Rob, I'm assuming here

Re: [meteorite-list] Mmammoth Stew - get your fire going real good

2007-12-20 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Jason, list - If you stopped lying - and maybe started obeying the laws of physics, scientific method, not to mention basic logic, we might get somewhere. Thanks for the compliment, Jason. I don't think we are going to be able to get anywhere. Show me proof. Show me blackened bones. Oh,

[meteorite-list] Rajasthan Meteorite has impact on Dr. Goyal and Nuclear Safety

2007-12-20 Thread drtanuki
Dear List, This link is in regards to the statement made by an Indian scientist, Dr. Goyal, in which he claimed that if the meteorite hit the reactor it would cause severe damage to a nuclear reactor and disaster. The Indian government is still investigating. Dirk Ross...Tokyo

Re: [meteorite-list] Greg Hupé's gorgeous NWA 4883 eucrite ...

2007-12-20 Thread jbaxter112
Hello Greg, Berndt, Michael, I'm afraid my photographic skills and equipment are too lacking to do the material justice but here are low resolution scans of my slice: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA4883AEUCspideryclasts16-3gmGr-1.jpg

Re: [meteorite-list] Another meteorite claim

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:37:11 -0800 (PST), you wrote: so sad to see delusional people who think that their common worthless rock is worth millions. Or even those who think that their rare, valuable meteorite is worth millions. You know, the ones who think a (for example) $10 a gram meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Mmammoth Stew...lies, etc

2007-12-20 Thread Jason Utas
E.P. To be perfectly frank, I've had enough of you, but I do like getting the last word in, so here you go. If you stopped lying - and maybe started obeying the laws of physics, scientific method, not to mention basic logic, we might get somewhere. Thanks for the compliment, Jason. I don't

Re: [meteorite-list] Mmammoth Stew...lies, etc

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:31:56 -0800, you wrote: The only person in denial here is you, who refuses to accept the fact that he can't possibly know with any certainty what sort of cosmic cataclysms caused either dust layer. Sure he can. 200 years ago, between sips of firewater, some indian told

Re: [meteorite-list] Mmammoth Stew...lies, etc

2007-12-20 Thread Darren Garrison
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:31:56 -0800, you wrote: You've put forth some ridiculous claims, such as the supposition that the droplets of the meteor crater impactor were still liquid upon coming back into contact with the ground And don't forget (only seen because someone quoted him-- originals go

[meteorite-list] Asteroid may be set to slam Mars in Jan.

2007-12-20 Thread tracy latimer
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22350742/ Watch the skies! We may be getting (okay a LONG time down the road) more Martian meteorites...:) Tracy Latimer _ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox

Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Moldavites

2007-12-20 Thread Zelimir Gabelica
Mike, Bernd, Andi, Michael, all, Could be interesting to perform some accurate chemical analysis on some selected fakes. Probably the relative amounts of main oxides (SiO2 from 79 to 83%, Al2O3 from 8 to 11%, K2O from 2.4 to 3.4%, CaO from 1.4 to 2.7%, or MgO from 1.3 to 1.9%, as taken from