[meteorite-list] Impact Duration Time

2008-03-19 Thread Robert Woolard
Hello List, Would any members be able to help with a question I have regarding the "impact-duration-time" (???) of some typical falls? I don't know if that's the best terminology to use, but what I mean is: What would be a "typical" measure of time between the impact of the FIRST (known) individ

[meteorite-list] Impact Duration Time

2008-03-19 Thread Robert Woolard
Hello List, Would any members be able to help with a question I have regarding the "impact-duration-time" (???) of some typical falls? I don't know if that's the best terminology to use, but what I mean is: What would be a "typical" measure of time between the impact of the FIRST (known) individ

[meteorite-list] Rare 5-Day Extravaganza - AD

2008-03-19 Thread Greg Hupe
Dear List members, Over the next five days, I have different sets of excellent auctions ending, totaling 151 specimens. To make it easier to see the different sets ending on the particular days, I have made links to just those days worth of material. They are: 1) Today (Wednesday) - 59 items

Re: [meteorite-list] Impact Duration Time

2008-03-19 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:40:07 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Hello List, > > Would any members be able to help with a question I >have regarding the "impact-duration-time" (???) of >some typical falls? I don't know if that's the best >terminology to use, but what I mean is: What would be >a "typical" me

Re: [meteorite-list] Impact Duration Time

2008-03-19 Thread Chris Peterson
Strewn field shape is the product of two factors: (1) the meteoroid may break up over a long distance, and (2) individual components are distributed by wind during cold fall. In the first case, this breakup may cover a lot of ground, but happens while the meteoroid is still hypersonic. So no mo

[meteorite-list] Impact times- correction

2008-03-19 Thread Robert Woolard
List and Darren, Well I can already see that I probably did make a wrong assumption. The 200mph figure probably doesn't have anything to do with determing the duration time. What might make a difference is if the individuals of the fall retained any lateral differences in speed when the point(s)

[meteorite-list] Impact times

2008-03-19 Thread Pete Shugar
Robert, The only timed event that I can think of that was accurately timed was the Shoemaker-Levy comet impact on Jupiter. This is something I never gave any thought to. Good Luck!! Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list

[meteorite-list] Need Help with Expedition Video footage

2008-03-19 Thread McCartney Taylor
I'm looking for a video editing volunteer. My 2 week expedition recovering the new fall was well documented, dozens and dozens of pictures and over 1.5 hours of video clips of interviews, relevant scenery, daily planning, and trips to impact points. My plan is too filter and condense all this

Re: [meteorite-list] Impact times

2008-03-19 Thread Chris Peterson
The only timed event that I can think of that was accurately timed was the Shoemaker-Levy comet impact on Jupiter. Yeah, but that's an entirely different sort of parent than anything we've seen on Earth, since it was fragmented into a long chain of components _before_ it encountered Jupiter's

[meteorite-list] Further thoughts

2008-03-19 Thread Pete Shugar
Consider the Fireball. When the (soon to be) meteorite explodes into a fireball, the pieces are blown in every direction, Those blown in the direction that the meteor came from which should give them a negative speed and as such will start to drop first. Those in the direction of travel give the

Re: [meteorite-list] Impact Duration Time

2008-03-19 Thread mexicodoug
Robert W. wrote: "VERY rough ESTIMATE of the spread of time by simply dividing the length of the strewnfield by a max free fall speed of ~ 200mph??? ... IF all the above is even halfway accurate, could one safely say that during a "typical" fall, meteorites are impacting down the length of the

Re: [meteorite-list] Further thoughts

2008-03-19 Thread Chris Peterson
I don't think that fireballs explode that way. What happens is that pressure builds up until the material strength of the meteoroid is exceeded, and it fragments. There isn't an explosion as such (the appearance of an explosion is largely the result of energy released when lots of additional su

Re: [meteorite-list] Further thoughts

2008-03-19 Thread mexicodoug
Pete wrote: "Some will be blown up and some will be blown down." I believe this is a common misconception for many in the meteorite community and common thought. I don't think anything is "blowing up". Simply fragmenting. Each part of the original whole maintains its portion of momentum u

[meteorite-list] Jim Kriegh's collection in OV

2008-03-19 Thread mexicodoug
http://www.explorernews.com/article/show/21655 Don't miss Twink's great article about the display of some of Jim Kriegh's meteorites in Oro Valley! Best, Doug Kriegh's rocks from the sky on display in OV Guest column by Twink Monrad -

[meteorite-list] The Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Collection

2008-03-19 Thread Christian Anger
Page 78, Gujba, New Mexico ? Nigeria, Cheers, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com   Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://w

[meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread Michael Gilmer
Greetings List! I'm having difficulty locating the right piece of Pallasite for a friend of mine who is ready to purchase. Exact type/fall is not the most important factor. What is most important is aesthetic beauty and the olivine crystals must be high quality - the piece should be like tra

[meteorite-list] New Crater Found?

2008-03-19 Thread Eric Wichman
Hi All, Ok, not "NEW" in geological terms, but new to us maybe... Just received an email that and Australian geologist accidentally discovered a meteorite crater in western Australia. "Dr. Hickman, from the Geological Survey of Western Australia sent the Google Earth picture to a colleague w

Re: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found?

2008-03-19 Thread Greg Redfern
All, Does anyone know what field work and follow on scientific analysis was done to confirm the crater as being an impact crater? Without collection of geological data and samples from the alleged impact site followed by scientific analysis of same, it CANNOT be confirmed as an impact crater. T

Re: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found?

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry
Hi Eric, his is the one Darren sent in tother day. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "Eric Wichman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found? Hi All, Ok, not "NEW" in geological terms, but new to us maybe... J

[meteorite-list] Rockabye chondrules, in the protoplanetary disk...

2008-03-19 Thread Darren Garrison
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080319140319.htm Mars, Earth And Moon From 'Unique Planetary Nursery' Science Daily (Mar. 19, 2008) — A study of meteorites suggests that Mars, the Earth and the Moon share a common composition from ‘growing up’ in a unique planetary nursery in the inn

Re: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found?

2008-03-19 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Greg, List, GooglEarthers, The coordinates are are: 119.6831112903886,-23.0371,0 If you have Google Earth installed, this link: http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=1134293 will start Google Earth and take you there. Doesn't look like an impact feature to me: no raised

[meteorite-list] Meteorite market trends - a critical note

2008-03-19 Thread Rob Lenssen
Dear List, I'm a meteorite collector since 1991, and have personally witnessed the start of the flood of Saharan meteorites. I think all these - also rare - Saharan meteorites becoming available for us collectors, was/is very possitive. Collecting is investing. Every collector wants to see t

Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread Alexander Seidel
If money isn´t the most important key factor, I would suggest an ultrathin (!) slice of Esquel or Imilac, but if money counts, I would rather suggest an olivine-rich portion of thinly cut Seymchan. All of these are known to be quite stable against rusting over time. Glorieta could be another goo

Re: [meteorite-list] New Crater Found?

2008-03-19 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, Grag, List, As Jerry just pointed out, this was posted by Darren on the 17th, headed "Possible Ancient Impact Crater Australia" with this source: http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20081803-17058-2.html "Dr Hickman, from the Geological Survey of Western Australia, was using Google Ear

Re: [meteorite-list] Crater Identification

2008-03-19 Thread Charles O'Dale
RE: confirming an impact structure, I've compiled some information on the subject at: http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/articles/odale_chuck/earth_craters/intro.html If I have missed anything, please let me know. Chuck O'Dale http://www.ottawa.rasc.ca/articles/odale_chuck/earth_craters/index.html >

[meteorite-list] First Detection of Organic Molecules in Extrasolar Planetary Atmosphere

2008-03-19 Thread Sterling K. Webb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/03/19/scialien119.xml Milestone in hunt for extraterrestrial life By Roger Highfield, Science Editor Astronomers have found organic chemicals on a planet outside our solar system for the first time, a milestone in the hunt for extraterre

Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread Impactika
Hello Alex, You are forgetting another very nice pallasite: Quijingue, the Brazilian one. Lesser known, but just as pretty. So a good investment. In my opinion. Anne M. Black _www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Vice-President, I.M.C.A.

Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread mmorgan
Also, I have seen Fukang for good prices. My piece is over 2 years old with no rust. The olivine is stunning. I am curious of other pieces of Fukang rusting badly? Matt -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market trends - a critical note

2008-03-19 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:13:42 +0100, you wrote: >Collecting is investing. Every collector wants to see the value of his >collection stay sable at the least. Not me. I collect them because I want them, not because I hope to turn a profit for them in the future. I'd be very happy if every class

Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Hupe
My experience with Pallasites have been: I had a piece of Fukang deteriorate in a mere six months. Some of the crystals became dislodged while others bulged under the pressure of rust pushing them out. Keep in mind that I live in a moist state and only a few hundred feet from a salt water body na

Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread Impactika
I agree with Adam, I have had bad luck with Fukang too. Maybe it wasn't prepared correctly. And sorry Mike, but I have always Quijingue in stock, I have only bought pieces with nice bright crystals (take a look at my catalog), and I have had no rust problems with that one. Of course I am fur

[meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy: Superb Pallasite!

2008-03-19 Thread bernd . pauli
Anne writes: "I have had bad luck with Fukang too." Even though my Fukang still looks stable - I got it in 2006 - my vote is for Esquel. I have a very thin (ca. 1-2 mm) slice with translucent olivines that I got from Gregor Pacer about 10 years ago...not the slightest trace of rust! I also have a

[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - March 19, 2008

2008-03-19 Thread Ron Baalke
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES March 19, 2008 o Yardangs in Tithonium Chasma http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007417_1755 o Layered Bedrock with Possible Hydrated Sulfates http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_007403_1670 o Inverted Fluvial Channels and Craters with Ejecta Rays h

[meteorite-list] nwa 3161

2008-03-19 Thread steve arnold
Hi list.With all the great auctions that greg hupe is putting up,I saw one that really caught my eye.It is NWA 3161.I love how greg gives us the chance to buy things right away so we do not have to wait for the whole auction to end.I decided to use the buy it now and buy the 15 gram slice.It is a b

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market trends - a critical note

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry
Ditto, ditto and ditto. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market trends - a critical note On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:13:42 +0100, you wrote: Collecting is i

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market trends - a critical note

2008-03-19 Thread Walter Branch
Agreed. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: "Jerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market trends - a critical note Ditto, ditto and ditto. Jerry Flaherty

[meteorite-list] OT: live broadcast in HD from the Space Station on Discovery HD right now - 745pm PDT

2008-03-19 Thread Art
Good Evening! There's a live broadcast in HD from the Space Station on Discovery HD right now ... very cool! Regards, Art __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/

Re: [meteorite-list] Further thoughts

2008-03-19 Thread Bob Loeffler
Hi mexicodoug, et al, Does anyone have evidence of what really happens (i.e. explode or fragment) with meteors/meteoroids that pass through the atmosphere? I'm a newbie and therefore not pretending to know what I'm talking about, but it would seem to me that there are some meteors/meteroids that

Re: [meteorite-list] Further thoughts

2008-03-19 Thread Chris Peterson
Hi Bob- Even small meteoroids don't heat up inside during their brief meteor phase. Ablation is simply too efficient at carrying away heat. Also, it's doubtful any significant gas pockets exist in meteoroids. There are quite a few videos of meteors breaking up, and they don't seem to show an