of search would be a perfectly wonderful project for Mr.
Boslough. Too bad there are only poisonous snakes in the swamp, and no
alligators.)
good hunting all,
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Hi Bob -
Right off, I'd have to say that I concur with you generally on an asteroid
source for irons.
The problem is that we do not know the composition of the centers of comets.
(And Hoba does lack an impact crater, indicating a low velocity of impact.)
We do not know the composition and
principles of accretion.
The National Geographic Society steps in where NASA and the NSF failed to act.
As many of you know, my own work dealt mainly with recent impacts, and not
older geological ones.
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Mike G writes:
Am I missing something?
In short, Mike, yes.
Serious work on the KT impacts which was never done or which is suppressed.
But missing all of that is not your fault, as the blame may be securely placed
on other parties.
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Hi all -
If everyone who goes hunting simply buys some memory cards for their smart
phones+ cameras, and everyone pools their footage afterwards, you could
assemble tv shows afterwards. Besides the traditional channels, there are new
internet video services such as VEVO for distribution.
Hi Shawn -
You can try to find a copy of this book:
https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1733926W/Die_Metalle_im_Alten_Orient
There are also multiple studies which are available through the internet.
Sorry, but I do not have a list of them handy. Perhaps Berndt can help.
E.P.
Hi Paul -
1. What or who got you interested in meteorites and how old were
you when you got your first meteorite?
Impacts got me interested in meteorites. I was trying to see if anyone had any
fragments from the Joshua impact event.
2. What was your first meteorite?
Slices I bought from
HI Adam -
I don't know about the state laws there, but it is probably illegal to
excavate, unless you get archaeologists to do it for you.
But before you do that, I would be happy to give you some pointers on both your
sites and archaeologists - off list though.
PS - If you re-invest
took videos of their hunts, some
decent television shows could be put together.
Ed E.P. Grondine
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- still looking for nice astroblemes from the comet killer
Hi all,
I just returned from Arkansas where I met up with Steve Arnold and
purchased a large Brenham
TWO FRAGMENTS OF A CHOCTAW IMPACT TRADITION
The traditions of the Choctaws concerning the Oka Falama
[the Returned waters] is as follows:
FRAGMENT 1
In ancient time, after many generations of mankind had
lived and passed from the stage of being, the race became
so corrupt and wicked,
Hi Paul -
If someone like Hancock finally understands that a comet hit North America
13,000 years ago, you would think that other more coherent individuals would
be able to as well.
For the impactite strata at 18 different archaeological sites see:
Hi all -
If one of the purposes is to eliminate an advantage that online firms have over
local firms, IMO, that limit for reporting should be raised a whole lot to keep
small local businesses going.
Otherwise, someone is going to make a whole lot of money selling some type of
software to
Hi all -
http://www.universetoday.com/100400/nasas-kaboom-experimental-asteroid-radar-aims-tothwart-earths-kaboom/
If this radar array works the way NASA claims it will (And who all here
remembers NASA's Ares 1?), then it looks like you'll just be able to go to
where the meteoroid is expected
Hi Jason -
This recent exchange reminds me of the case several years ago where a senior
scientist paired iron impactites with cometary impactites, and was then
surprised when the dates did not match. He managed to cause no end of confusion
for some people.
E.P.
Hi Carl -
There is a difference between physics and meta-physics.
While the folks at Meteor Crater have been ceaselessly promoting the use of
meteor for meteoroid, the earlier definitions work better for discussion.
Right now, I am just wondering if anyone gathered snow samples or air samples
Hi all -
Given the 10% iron content of Chelyabinsk, I wonder if any of the local people
know about gutter hunting?
good hunting, all
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Hi all -
It would seem to me that most of the major dealers have dealt with Russian
collectors, dealers, and laboratories for years and will get their specimens
through them.
The important news is that Putin's decision on professional organizations now
makes it possible for the Russian
it to Elton (or one of your
using the archive) to make it all clear once again.
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Hi all -
I'd like to remind everyone here that there were about 50 children in the
hospital due to this one, and if they don't at least get crumbs in jars from
it, then shame on us.
Usually in a cometary fragment bolide, most of the meteoroid is turned to
plasma in the bolide, and then
Hi all -
I need to add that the speed of any surviving larger fragments after the bolide
event can be estimated from the contrail speed after it. Add in height at the
bolide, and then rely on the locals...
whew...
good hunting,
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Hi Bob -
If an original dash cam video has a Russian pop tune playing on the radio, it
does not bother me, and quite frankly some of the tunes are quite
interesting, if not enjoyable. Life happens.
good hunting,
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What is the difference between a meteoroid impact and an asteroid impact?
Well, in a meteoroid impact there are people left alive to collect meteorites
afterwards.
My guess is that those popping sounds are due to the release of simple
mechanical energy well after the main
hunting,
Ed
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Hello everyone -
I got to watch the Russian videos before all the pop tunes and colorful Russian
expressions were removed. The sanitized compilations are simply not as good. I
would have preferred subtitles being added to them instead.
One of the interesting things is that releases of binding
Hi all -
For some reason, everyone seems to think that 2012 DA14 had no debris floating
around it, while every close up we've ever seen of any small body has shown
debris on its surface and/or cratering.
Now if instead of using a point solution, which is adequate for most tracking
purposes,
of the Chelyabinsk branch of the
Emergencies Ministry. I know there are some Siberian separatists, but last I
heard Siberia was still part of the Russian Federation.
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Hi all -
Undoubtedly some of you hunters will be faced with the terrible problem of what
to do with that 10 pound 1 ounce meteorite that you've found.
Well, I am very willing to help you out on this. Simply saw open a windown, and
send the 2 ounces to me at
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Hi all -
What to do if you find a 10 pound meteorite on BLM land?
Well, perhaps nomcom could come up with some new names, like WUSA (Western U.S.
of A.), or say NNA (Northern North America - Canada).
I hereby open the floor for proposals.
Have a great time in Tucson -
E.P.
they would
be fired if their statements were later demonstrated to be complete nonsense.
As you may also know, I have not discussed certain accounts or geological
features for fear of having sites plundered.
All in all, I'd rather be in Tucson.
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not needed there either.
I'd love to be in Tuscon so I could show you all the Shawnee meteorite
artifacts I recovered, but the Great Spirit had other plans for me this winter.
Perhaps next year.
Well, good hunting everyone,
and have a great show,
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or her.
Denial is a strange psychological mechanism, and undoubtedly we will hear
stories about how an asteroid impact did not kill the dinosaurs for many
years to come.
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Hi Tony -
And the correct answer is:
http://www.economist.com/node/14698363
One has to wonder why NSF continues to fund Keller.
It looks to me like denial is trying to pass itself off as scepticism.
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, the First Peoples' histories it
contains are not easily available, and many of its readers use it for
reference.
all the best -
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Hi all -
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/recently-discovered-meteorite-buddha-with-swastika-likely-a-fake-a-862919.html
Now the question is who made it and why.
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Hi Paul -
From the start, I have thought that these are impact vapor condensates, and
not the water mineral accretions that NASA's Mars specialists have insisted.
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Hi all -
Denial of the impact hazard takes many forms.
For a detailed discussion of the role of Deccam Volcanism in the extinction of
the dinosaurs, see:
http://www.economist.com/node/14698363
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Hi Paul -
No question Laura Knight is more than a little nuts. When you work in impact,
you end up with nuts of various stripes going after you/ latching onto your
work, often coming in from entirely different directions.
I read a piece the other day where David Morrison spends a half an hour
Hi all -
Darryl also contacted me privately about this project.
A real gentleman.
E.P.
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Hi Paul -
The answer is the same thing that killed off many megafuana intercontinentally,
instantaneously, and simlutaneously: global climate collapse, i.l., nucelar
winter.
Now they are two causes of global dust loading, one of which is volcanic
eruption, the other impact. Since we have no
, simultaneous extintinctions of
megafauna, see Mammoths, pages 124-125.
EP
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a river which would have formed a rather perfect animal migration path.
Whether they are or not will require proper geological field examination.
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Hi all -
Just catching up with my email here.
Count, your flying credentials are astounding!
I think that they might be able to spot broken tree limbs from their blimp, but
we'll see.
I wonder if this hunt will make Meteorite Men? If not, why don't all of you
there all save your footage and
Hi all -
The battle with the virus appears to have been won. My apologies to all who had
their time wasted with it.
Given the behavior of some people, I really don't want to speak publicly about
this. Perhaps privately with some of you in Tucson next year.
That said, perhaps the thing to do
Hi all-
I was hit by a virus and trojan. My apologies to all who received its forwards.
Things seem to be clearing up now, but we'll see.
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Hi all -
It will be interesting to see the composition/formation date data for the
spherules examined in this study.
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Hi Rich -
Not really.
While other posters there have some useful information, your friend Dennis has
none, at least not yet.
Paul has written about Dennis's earlier impact discoveries, and I leave
Dennis's new Mexican dessert features to Paul's analysis.
Even if what Dennis is viewing are
Hi Paul, Jason -
We have yet to hear from either of you on the global distribution of the
impactite layer from 10,750 BCE.
For any of you interested in the market for shatter cones from the Northwest,
my notes on the Assiniboine memories of events can be found in the list
archives.
E.P
on the flu of interest, as it makes not being in
Tucson this year easier to take.
Hope I get there next year,
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Doug
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Hi everyone -
I will not be able to go to Tucson this year, as the need
Hi everyone -
I will not be able to go to Tucson this year, as the need for a root canal (and
its expense) has intervened. I hope those of you expecting to get signed copies
of Man and Impact in the Americss there will not be too disappointed.
I also want to apologize to those who were
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Hi Paul -
Pretty much nuts on, but I my estimate is that it not was the receding ice
sheet that led to the sedimentary deposits - more likely it was a massive
freshwater discharge. Given the fishing in the area, and Canada's other oil
deposits, it will be interesting to watch how the oil
be the crater
floor, and not infill sediments, and thus the impact itself would have had to
have been well after 10,900 BCE?
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Hi Ron, all -
The easy solution to this problem is that the Earth has been loosing atmosphere
to space for a long time - blown away by the solar wind.
(That process will continue, and there's a sobering thought: when does our air
run out?)
By the way, someone needs to tell the WISE team
what he saw.
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Hello everyone -
I am not going to re-write the catalogue of massive deaths by impact here again
for your amusement.
If you're interested in a single small piece hitting an individual, that has
been coverd by others, and I'm not that interested in it.
I am interested in the report of an
Hi Anne -
Just send them my way, and I'll be pleased to speak to them for several hours.
The Big asteroidal hits that are known of have been Canyon Diablo (46,000 BCE),
Campo de Cielo (2,235 BCE if memory serves), one in Siberia 26,000 BCE and one
in Alaska ca 34,000 BCE. It is currently
Good morning, everyone -
Ever heard of the Shiva Crater?
http://www.economist.com/node/14698363
Denial takes many forms.
A neighbor here in town has a novel attitude toward impact events, or perhaps
he just truthfully expressed an attitude that many may have, but are afraid to
express.
.
Perhaps the following will explain it better.
Good hunting, all -
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THE WASHINGTON SCABLANDS AND ASSINIBOINE IMPACT ACCOUNTS
Several posters here are interested in Harlan Bretz and the spread of
his catastrophist hypothesis for the formation
Hi all -
I see from today's news that many people are still confused by the extinctions
caused by the Holocene Start Impacts. Its really pretty easy, as Elephants need
450 pounds of food a day.
Perhaps the following will explain it better.
Good hunting, all -
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Hello everyone -
http://www.esa. int/esaCP/ SEMG93HURTG_ index_0.html
Asteroid Lutetia: postcard from the past
European Space Agency
27 October 2011
ESA's Rosetta spacecraft has revealed asteroid Lutetia to be a primitive
body, left over as the planets were forming in our Solar System. Results
Hi Berndt -
Thanks for the citation. There are probably multitudes of notes on lunar
impacts in old astronomical records.
Perhaps some of the old works on volcanoes on the Moon may have gathered some
of them together. Darryl Futrell probably would have had them all at hand.
Ed
Hi all -
With all of the exchanges on Chladni and Rittenhouse going on, it seems an
appropriate time to mention that a pioneering study of recent impact events,
signed copies of my very own Man and Impact in the Americas are available to
list members for $20 plus $5 shipping US, or $15
Hi Rob -
There was a discussion on the list many years ago about kiris.
They were kept using a ritual that inhibited rusting.
I don't know if I have any of the materials from that discussion in my files.
I wonder, is there someone I could send my copies of met-list messages
to who would add
Hi all -
I think the meteorites are being shown in the wrong place - the display should
be at Griffith Observatory.
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Hi Rob -
I suppose we have a saddening data set from Columbia.
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Hello everyone -
I have thought for a long time that it would be better for the meteorite
community as a whole to have its own online bidding site. Perhaps the advances
in software and computing have made this possible now; I don't know.
I had hoped that the IMCA might be the organization to
Hello everyone -
For this now most sellers some day soon may be required to have stuff
authenticated by a licensed appraiser prior to listing the Name Brand stuff
for sale.
How will meteorite appraisers be recognized?
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Hi Paul -
Interesting links, but as we now know, volcanism and impact are not necessarily
unrelated.
See the recent work on the Shiva impact for more on this.
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Hi -
Does anyone here (Paul?) have the details on the sessions on impact which will
be held at the GSA meeting in Minneapolis-St.Paul?
Dates, times, presenters?
Is anyone here attending? I will have to be in Ohio for a good part of that
meeting.
Ed
Hi Folks -
Which is better Red Shift or Starry Night for ancient skies?
I don't know the technical difference between constellation and asterism
except for one based on classical period constellations.
I would suppose that for people today the Big Dipper and Little Dipper are
constellations.
Hi all -
I now have requests to work on 4 North American astronomical petroglyphs, so as
you can imagine, I have to focus op those right now,.as well as I can, which is
not that good now.
But here's a few thoughts: Man used boats very very early on in his evolution,
and thus did celestial
Hi all -
Thanks for tracking down those images and reports.
Since I lack intimate familiarity with the culures in the area, my comments
will be limited.
The comments about the re-use of petroglph sites and the difficulties in dating
petroglyphs are valid in my own experience. The only thing
Hi all -
I received this message.
Apparently Robert is having trouble posting to the list.
Dirk, can you help him fix this?
Hello Ed,
I tried to post additional info on the ancient Chinese impact to meteorite-list
but failed as usual. I'll have to tweak my settings a bit more.
Anyway, you
Hi all -
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/27/55273149.html
As usual, cometary, so no good hunting for meteorites.
If I ever locate any of those...
good hunting, everyone
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Hi all -
It's the last lines of this that are of the most interest.
Good luck,
E.P.
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copies of Man and Impact are available to
list members for $20 plus $5 shipping US, or $15 shipping overseas.
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Well now, that's a comforting thought: If the next big one hits and extincts
all higher life forms on Earth, it will also bring with it the components to
start life over again and give it another chance here.
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Hi all -
Now for the next stupid question. What fusion process creates CAI?
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Hi all -
Simple question - what classes of meteorites have CAI inclusions?
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lack of work on this above).
In particular, say, on the walls of Valles Marineris on Mars.
Since WISE has pretty much shown that Nemesis does not exist, isn't far past
the time when the Nemesis Hypothesis should be rejected?
(And Morrison update his Sceptical Inquirer article?)
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Hi all -
A few comments - Here on Earth larger fragments survive impact due to explosive
lensing - I don't know how that applies to Mercury - Elton is the source for
best estimates and explanations on that.
The energies of impacts depend on what hits and how fast.
There is also the problem
which are being posted to the MPML. I hope that some IR images of 73P's dust
load come along shortly.
good hunting,
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PS - I tried to get some YD nanodiamonds from an excavator to sell to list
participants, but he thought the commercialism would sully
to indicate
that some gravitational effects are just now coming into play.
I hope that new studies of Mars' craters and those on other bodies will finally
lead to a general accretion model in which asteroidal and cometary impacts
rates will be determined with some certainty.
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not understand the difference that the Earth's atmosphere
makes in impact processes.
I tried to point Dennis towards the upcoming Meteor Crater field school, but it
appears that he would rather continue to vent his frustrations.
Paul, Sterling, keep it up.
:P)
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Hi all -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9arbAsN6MCE
hey, just because you're getting older, it does not necessarily mean that
you don't have the right stuff anymore...
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Hi Paul -
The supernova hypothesis does not explain the sudden
cooling
Hi Paul -
The supernova hypothesis does not explain the sudden cooling of the Pacific
Current off of the Northwest Pacific Coast.
Let me run through a hypothetical mechanism again: the Berring straits are
opened by a northward drainage of glacial Lake Agassiz, apparently triggered by
impact
cores.
Mike, it was a comet that hit.
I am looking to Ed Weiler being fired, so that this nonsense will come to an
abrupt end.
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Hi Chris -
The folks at NASA who are working on this are extremely competent, and
are in close association with meteoritics research groups at
universities and observatories around the world. To suggest that these
people are incompetent says more about you than it does them.
I did not say
do not amount to one fact.
As far as the effects of hyper-velocity dust goes, I seem to recall parts of
Surveyor being examined after lunar surface exposure.
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to risk their paychecks by saying anything
about it.
Last I heard, they all got together and went to some obscure conference and
whispered about it...
just my opinion, ya know...
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Hi Sterling -
It would ironic (at the least) if we were to go from
Moon volcanoes that are really impacts all the way to
Mercury impacts that are really volcanoes!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/science/space/17mercury.html
Not to Hermann Burchard. To paraphrase:
Many Earth impacts resulted
Hi all -
Thanks for the link - truly magnificent.
Now where to hell is the NASA video of the fragments of SL 9 hitting Jupiter?
Its only been 14 years now.
How incompetenet does Ed Weiler have to be before he gets fired?
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Hi everyone -
Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of weathering,
but then -
Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own
meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways?
Dave, thanks for sharing.
E.P.
at Sikhote Alin, but three comet fragmnt impacts: Tunguska, Rio Curaca, and
Rupunini.
These continued bogus impact hazardd estimates may make Ed Weiler happy, and I
know he cuts your paychecks, but they are not doing anyone else much good
otherwise.
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of the YD
black mats may be found at the cosmictusk.com, along with a study of YD human
population declines in North America at the YD.
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By the way, there is a special on my book Man and Impact in the Americas over
at the cosmictusk.com.
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the Uktena, and who had
knocked their horns or teeth loose.
If you find any meteorites with human bones out west, my emphatic advice is to
leave them as they sit and report your find to the nearest tribal officers. Ms
Mayor's book explains the reasons for doing this.
good hunting,
E.P
Hi Stewart, Sterling -
Chicxulub was the small impact. Another larger fragment of the comet hit at
Shiva about 500,000 years later. That was the impact that finally killed off
the dinosaurs.
Sterling, could you do a rough estimate of the energy of the Shiva Impact?
Megatons would be fine, or
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