in an appropriate
manner.
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not
otherwise do. I would ask that you consider your words more carefully.
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in finding a way
out of it.
Best wishes,
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. Why not? These meteorites are not only the cultural
property of those of Native Descent living in those areas now, but of all the
citizens who live in those areas today, and their cultural rights should be
recognized as well.
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Including geological data.
As I can no longer work out the mechanics of this, nor evaluate his geological
claims, I suggested to him that I forward his message to specialists who could.
It follows; please reply to him, and cc me a copy.
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sapien
fossils from there.
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Note that no name is given for this homonid right now.
This homonid was likely the common ancestor for sapiens and neanderthal, with
the two populations split by the Zamanshin impact.
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Hi -
Has anyone here seen caarbonaceous chondrites with high metal content, or PGE
meteorites with carbon?
Does anyone here know of any spectral work done on dead cores of formerly
active comets?
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Hi Eric -
Life on two planets, but intelligent life only evolved on one of them while the
other one went dead. And as far as the intelligent life here, it nearly did not
survive earlier impacts, and given current policies may not survive the next
big hit.
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, the problem of the anomalous 14C dates still remains. While one
might attribute them to careless handling, contamination, or equipment failure,
their clustering suggests that something happened...
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the peoples memories of these, as well as being the only reliable
pre-contact history for the eastern peoples.
The book is also a great gift for any friends you may have of Native American
heritage.
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don't go planning your budgets on that basis.
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Space Junk?
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disaster film?
Sometimes it does. A soul is a terrible thing to loose.
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Hi -
This list of videos is from the MPML mailing list. I can't remember if they
were posted to the meteorite list.
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Posted by: tak102pme dong...@roadrunner.com tak102pme
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:47 am (PST)
Try these Alan
and
Muller and Clube and Napier, and asteroid versus comet impact.
The lake cores will be re-examined, and we will see if the dates hold. I doubt
if they will.
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Hi Darren -
Thanks. We'll see If the dates hold. The lead author in this is setting the
impacts around 10,500 BCE, instead of 10,900 BCE. I really love it where the
reporters summarize Firestone et al's hypothesis as an asteroid impact,
instead of comet impact.
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Hi all -
I did several educational outreaches at powwows this year. If you saw the image
in the Rocks from Space Picture of the Day, that young girl's smile is a
typical reaction.
If you haven't done one of these yet, I can guarantee you'll get many of them.
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myself have been wrong in the past, and I retain the right
to be wrong both now and in the future.
PS - someday impactites from the YD event will come on the market.
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Darren wrote:
Okay, a review-- so far this impactor has been a 500 mile wide snowflake
of Canada had better rates. The ones that I
came up with were just from historical/myth-historical materials, but with
archaeological confirmation - i.e. for the YD impacts there's quarry usage data.
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from the Carolinas, which should be most
informative. Gene Shoemaker's accident was truly misfortunate, as in my opinion
if he were still with us this all would have been cleared up by now.
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computer up I'll send you a jpg
of the cast of the Trempealeau Petroglyph.
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--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Rich Murray rmfor...@comcast.net wrote:
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Subject: exact Carolina Bay crater locations, RB Firestone, A West, et al
of known and suspected impacts, you may
want to google that, and if you have not bought a copy of Man and Impact in
the Americas yet, well, it is the best available recent impact rate data for
the Americas.
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Hi Paul -
Just to be upfront about my bias, contempt of Congress is a serious crime, one
which Michael Griffin appears to have committed in his response to the George
Borwn Jr. amendment, as near as can be made out.
Now moving on to the minor points:
First a problem is that Native American
Daro, bringing to a complete and abrupt end a very advanced
civilization.
I expect that someday impactites from this impact event will be made available
via the market.
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, with irons; dinosaur gullet stone; tektites; impact
glass; Libyan desert glass microlith; polished stone tool.
My thanks to everyone who helped make this possible.
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, will show a pattern.
Until those computer runs are made, that spike in the INTCAL98 chart near to
the time of the Barringer impact still looks remarkable.
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on his search to find their source, which led him at
first to a nearby supernova and finally to impact.
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large hypervelocity impacts are indeed freeing neutrons.
In the meantime, OSL dating for Odessa will be an open question for me.
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PS - I have been wrong
freeing energies?
Speaking of Beryllium, the protons released at the same time as the neutrons
should be causing spikes in 10Be as well.
In closing, I have been wrong before, and reserve the right to be wrong both
now and in the future.
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( a damn fine
Hi Paul -
If neutrons were released in the Odessa impact, then the OSL dates for it may
be too old.
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Hi Goran -
Take a look at the INTCAL98 14C calibration chart. Major spikes appear to map
to impacts.
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, and Zuni elders will share what they want to
share from their traditions about later impacts when they want to share it.
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an Indonesia island, or in a Lativian field?
One nice 50 kiloton airburst over Chicago, and I'd be all set for Tucson.
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Hi Richard -
But does your GPS database include the No-tell Motel?
For what Inn Suites was charging the dealers, it strikes me that they could
come out ahead getting together and buying that one and using it for the show.
Ed
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Hi Paul, all -
What the scientists are dealing with is a well organized and networked
industry.
Copies of my guide inside the cult archaeology industry are available by
writing to me for one.
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Darren -
I'm real sorry that that sale of the piece of the stolen Native American
meteorite did not go as planned, but I still think that Rich is looking at
secondary impacts.
How you got hold of my off list personal reply to him is puzzling to me right
now.
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from NASA.
You learn something new everyday. Today I learned that it pays to tow the line
that comet impacts are no more than 5% of the impact hazard.
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to add something in here? Like a comment on how all the
megafauna disappeared over night?
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SCIENCES: SOLID SURFACE PLANETS / Impact phenomena, cratering.
Previously Presented Material: Original results, never presented, never
published
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Hi all -
From what I could make out during my visit several years back, many meteorite
dealers were paying so high rents in Tucson that it left them with little
profit for their effort.
While list members are meteorite centric, we have to keep in mind that the Gems
and Minerals do vastly
Hi all -
We don't know crap... Hey!, who stole my line?
But that's okay, I can come up with another one:
We don't know crap about the impact hazard,
and NASA senior managers know less than that.
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Hi all -
A wonderful project for those so inclined. A good approach may be to set out
the varying theories.
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I too, would love to read
Hi all -
Ahah - fewer large asteroids, but the same number of large comet hits.
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Hi -
I am looking forward to reading the pdf soon.
I tried to come to an estimate of Tunguska class events via the historical and
archaeological record - a small part of a a book I wrote titled Man and Impact
in the Americas.
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does not post this. Here goes:
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, NASA News hqn...@mediaservices.nasa.gov wrote:
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Subject: NASA Spacecraft Sees Ice on Mars Exposed by Meteor Impacts
To:
Hi all -
One of the reasons why panspermia etc. play such a role in debate regards
some peoples' obsessions with manned flight to Mars, and the problem of
back-contamination.
Bottom line: we don't know. Other bottom line: it's not all that important to
know right now.
I read with
radiation, which perhaps also provide injection energy.
Maybe, appears, possibly, but certainly no one gets any money from NASA to work
it out.
Would someone fire Weiler now?
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--- On Wed, 9/16/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote
Hi all -
http://www.georgehoward.net/clovis_comet_at_fall_2009_agu.htm
Would Bolden and Graver fire Weiler and Morrison gently, quietly, and politely
now, or do we have to wait longer and have it be far more brutal?
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time for them to have expressed them publicly.
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--- On Mon, 9/14/09, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lost impacts at AGU
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Hello -
Given the somehwat heated debate here several years ago on the effects on human
evolution of the Zamanshan Impact, the following item is of interest:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-skull-that-rewrites-the-history-of-man-1783861.html
One should note especially the problem
Hi all-
Given the stupidity demonstrated by our bureaucrats in the lack of search for
the next ELE impactor, and assuminng normal solar system accretion mechanisms
elsewhere, extending this well demonstrated stupidity throughout the Universe
results in no intelligent life anywhere.
Thus I
Hi all -
Theoretical physics question of the day:
Years ago I read of a stable Earth-Moon orbital path. Now the Earth outgasses,
so some of this would appear to go into this orbital path. Could water accrete
there in that path, and then return to Earth, or would the vacuum just tear any
to be wrong in the future.)
No one in NASA seems to know what happened to the CAPS analysis. It is probably
sitting on a shelf somewhere with the Apollo 11 Moon walk slowscan tapes.
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Hi Elton -
What I am wondering is if the compression forces are so large that an alloy
does not form, but rather compounds, which then freeze in place when the
compression forces are nearly instantaneously released.
250 seems like a lot of parent bodies.
Ed
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Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:03 PM
Ed,
checking my observing report from 6 October, 2008, the
night of discovery, the conditions were far from perfect and
the seeing wasn't
Hi Eric -
Several times during our evolution we were nearly wiped out by impacts.
It was very close, and unfortunately due to inaction in detection budgets it is
still too close to call.
If other solar systems have accretion mechanics similar to ours, and there is
no reason to assert
once outbound after it had been through perihelion, a little
late for comparative purposes.
Ed
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good hunting and best wishes -
Ed
--- On Mon, 9/7/09, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote:
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the observational limits of the proposed NEO-VIS orbiting
telescope?
Finally, a few years back the CAPS (Comet and Asteroid Protection System)
proposed using an active Moon based LIDAR for dead comet fragment detection.
Does anyone know what happened to that study?
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Hi all -
Could the Widmanstatten patterns simply be the result of incredibly high
compression instead?
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Hi - from Leroy Ellenberger -
Last nite, History Channel premiered subject program about impacts on Earth
from meteors, asteroids, comets and space debris:
http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detailepisodeId=481956
The program will be re-broadcast Sunday, Sept. 6 at 7 p.m. EDT, Tuesday,
in the stupdity level in the US, it comes from Kempton.
Really. Write me for a copy of Amazing Stories. Stupditiy is actually a well
organized industry.
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that rocks fall from
the sky.
Man did not walk on the Moon. The whole thing was faked by NASA.
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Hi all -
A long way from meteorites, but not so far from impactors. If they ever set up
a NEO detecting radar on the Moon, then the same facility could be used to pick
up the equivalent of I Love Lucy reruns from a galaxy far, far away.
I think that the ratings will be phenomenal.
Well,
to Hibben now?
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Hi Dirk-
I see that the slander continues. Hibben underwent most vicious attack while
incapacitated by a brain injury suffered in World War 2. Between his pre-clovis
work, and his observation of the remains at Fairbanks, he got creamed.
Ed
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impacts when
they want to say it.
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(waiting for the new IG's report on Griffin's failure to respond to the
instructions of the George Brown Jr amendment, and for the USGS cores from the
coastal Carolinas.)
Ed,
For example, in 1946 he described a site
Hi -
Did anyone ever get a good radiocarbon date for Brenham?
The one we have for Campo de Cielo confirmed the Mayan 2,360 BCE date.
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Hi -
The correct date for Campo de Cielo appears to be 17 February, 2,325 BCE.
25 October, 2,360 BCE is for the Rio Cuarto Impacts, which also occurred at
Matawil.
My apology for the error.
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is that there were no
convecting plumes on impacts, and what atmosphere there was nearby became a
vacuum.
But that is just a guess. Elton, you have any insights into Martian
hypervelocity impacts?
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and Garver.
Richard, we can handle a long period comet with nuclear charges, if it comes
down to it, but diversion by ablation would be better.
The problem is finding these things early, and my opinion is that CAPS is the
answer for both.
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(While some
Period Comets and small dead
comet fragments, is going to require the use of space based assets. In other
words, you have to find them before you can divert or destroy them.
This is a real problem, not an imaginary one, and further a real problem that
is unavoidable.
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friends you have or any archaeologists you know.
If any of you enjoyed Man and Impact in the Americas I would really like to
hear from you.
typed with one finger of my left hand by a very tired
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, given Firestone, Kenneth, and Tankersley's finds, would
any of you like to reconsider your remarks on Hibben's observations at
Fairbanks?
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India-Pakistan nuclear exchange given in the wikipedia article is off by at
least one order of magnitude, maybe two, or perhaps three.
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(a damned fine book if I do say so myself)
PS 1 - Any news about when the NASA IG's report on Griffin's contempt
Bonjour -
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Ed,
sorry but I tried when you first
).
But Mars will have to be shown to harbor no pathogens or life before manned
Mars flight with return is permitted, in my opinion. The possible consequences
otherwise are a show stopper.
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Hi all -
Now that the shock has dissipated, I ask again if anyone knows if 3He is a
reliable cometary or comet marker?
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passing while surrounded by friends and family. Not many have such a fate.
The lesson that I take from this is that we should keep in mind that each
moment of life is precious, and we should make the most of it.
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before his passing - but they are a great legacy.
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Hi Doug, all,
Not quite sure I follow what you mean by a long period comet becoming a
short period comet and apparently circulating for millions of years.
I thought such comet lifetimes are significantly less than that and if
the literature I saw is to be believed, along the P-Tr unconformity,
the Sun, particularly on close passes
near to it.
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In closing this note, NASA's detection budget next year is around $3.5 million
dollars: in my opinion, Weiler and Morrison need to be relieved.
PS - Smit will undoubtedly shoot down Keller's latest soon, but its not likely
the press will pick it up.
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educational efforts.
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public announcement of what hits then,
whether COMET or asteroid, is non-existant, as is any NASA attempt to launch a
sat to publicly figure out what's hitting.
My conclusion, as usual, is that Weiler and Morrison need to be relieved.
The impact hazard is non-trivial.
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and 10Be. For example,
from the looks of INTCAL98 14C production measure, the Barringer Impact may be
dated ca 44,000 BCE.
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EMan, EP, List,
The sea-floor-dredged fragment is of a carbonaceous
chondrite. It's a fossilized
Hi Eric, all -
Where are we going next?
Not Mars, since its not Earth-like. It has no magnetic field.
Maybe nowhere if an asteroid slams into us...
Based on historical observation, ain't no maybes about it.
But it isn't asteroids that are the threat now, its comets.
good hunting,
E.P
Hi all -
Favorites anyone? Brunette or pallasite? Nice haircuts as well, guys.
It will be interesting to watch what effect this has on the public and markets
- it can only be to the good. Congratulations.
Good Hunting,
Ed
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