Rob and All:
I was hoping to elicit some discussion on whether there was some chance of
finding any of the Chicora pieces that I speculated may still be around. I
didn't mean to get so far off the thread of cold hunting.
I thought some of the more knowledgeable list members might provide some
Gee...This sounds like an old story that former baseball manager Billy Martin used to tell...
Randy in N.O.
PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:11:22 -0500 (CDT)Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Cold hunting questionHello Warren and List,Warren your question about property locale ownership, brought to mind aquestion of my own that I would appreciate an answer to, on o
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List,Warren your question about property locale ownership, brought to mind
aquestion of my own that I would appreciate an answer to, on or off-list,by
yourself or other list members.I understand that when hunting on private
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The federal court says that anything found on a parkway, the strip of land
between the sidewalk and the curb, the sidewalk itself, the street and any
public property designated
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Hello Warren and List,
Warren your question about property locale ownership, brought
to mind a
question of my own that I would appreciate an answer to, on or
off
Rob,
I was not aware the someone really did try to plow Sahara or Antarctica as
farmers do with theirs fields. If someone did, was it by purpose to search
meteorites underground? I would rather believe that, because of hostile cold
and warm desert conditions, most of the search was just done on
Hello Warren and List,
Warren your question about property locale ownership, brought to mind a
question of my own that I would appreciate an answer to, on or off-list,
by yourself or other list members.
I understand that when hunting on private property, you are supposed to
get (written?)
Hi Marcia,
Property varies so much from one juristiction to another. Public domain has
been outlined by the Supreme Court in cases of lost or discarded artifacts.
The FBI felt the need to set these precidents so they could dig through trash
on parkways for evidence in court. I read an old
Dear Bill, Marcia, List;
I would like to add to the thread a bit more. I found my meteorite on
public land. It was on a checkerboard mixed with Anadarko (company that
owns the land that the Union Pacific Railroad was granted to them in
1865 to encourage RR development), there are also private
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Dear Bill, Marcia, List;
I would like to add to the thread a bit more. I found my meteorite on
public land. It was on a checkerboard mixed with Anadarko (company that
owns the land
David,
Your ethics are beyond reproach but in an one hour old strewn field it would
be such a waste to delay recovery waiting for permission to look in a K-Mart
parking lot. I know I would never get a reply. This is a pretty unique
situation. I doubt if anyone walked away from a fresh rock
Peregrineflier
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I suspect most meteorites bury themselves on impact to just below the
surface in soft sand/dirt so, I think the rate of 'soil covering' will
make the difference, a dry desert soil is generally eroded away by winds
to reveal them, and somewhere like tropical Britain (well this year at
least!) has
I believe Mark is perfectly right by saying that most meteorites are lying
below the soil surface.
I did not make any compiling but I guess if you go through all the Met.
Bull's reporting meteorite FINDS, I am pretty sure that about (at least ?)
half of them were found through plowing some field.
Zelmir,
Well put, given the potential value of a massive chunk of Esquel I am
supprised no one has sunk further holes around the site! If I lived near
by, I'd certainly do it myself! Maybe the use of a magnetometer would be
the way to go, these days there is a myriad of equipment designed to
Mark,
Interesting comments.
However I am not sure somebody still knows where exactly that well was sunk.
Esquel was supposed to be found back in 1951 (ref.: Meteorites from A to
Z). I know the finder kept the piece for long years before he made it
expertized as meteorite and again it took him
Hi Sterling and List,
Sterling wrote:
Taking the area of the Earth to be 5.1 x 10^8 km^2 and the
meteorite flux to be 23,930 yr^-1 (that's the figure from
the MORP study), this yields the assumed collisional cross
section of the earth to be 21,360 km^2 yr^-1. This rate
means that one
Just wondering who owns these areas you "cold hunters" are searching? Are areas like the Gold Basin and Bonneville Salt Flats publicly owned or do you make arrangements with individual land owners?
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Hi, Rob,
Actually, I seem to recall that Phil Bland at the Natural History
Museum in London (formerly called The British Museum and always will be
in my head) did a study doing terrestial age-dating all the meteorites
from several given areas, just to get the age distribution and a figure
on
Hi All,
On the subject of met hunting, Dave P. replied to my remark:
Matson: If you want to reduce search time per (cold) meteorite
find (i.e. non-strewnfield), the #1 factor is survival time --
you must maximize it any way you can:
1. Low deposition rate -- ideally a ~negative~ deposition
Hello List, Two years ago today, Bernd pauli posted [meteorite-list]
Arizona Meteorite Hunters. It quoted Twink Monrad as saying;
I firmly believe that if a person were to go over any
square mile, time after time, anywhere in the world, they'd also
eventually find meteorites,
How many list
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Hello List, Two years ago today, Bernd pauli posted [meteorite-list]
Arizona Meteorite Hunters. It quoted Twink Monrad as saying;
I firmly believe that if a person were to go over any
square mile, time after time, anywhere in the world, they'd also
eventually
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Tom list,
I've always liked the sound of this quote (the original formulation was
Nininger's---), but I think it may be subject to a couple of qualifiers
relating to preservation and exposure.
As an exploration geologist, I spend at least 15-20 long days
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Tom list,
I've always liked the sound of this quote (the
original formulation was Nininger's---), but I think
it may be subject to a couple of qualifiers relating
to preservation and exposure
Hi Norm and List,
As an exploration geologist, I spend at least 15-20 long days every
month wandering the alluvial fans and dry lakes of Nevada searching
for mineralized float (and, unofficially, meteorites!). Some of
the remote dry lakes are almost certainly unsearched, and can cover
many
Hi, Tom,
Taking the area of the Earth to be 5.1 x 10^8 km^2 and the
meteorite flux to be 23,930 yr^-1 (that's the figure from the MORP study), this
yields the assumed collisional cross section of the earth to be 21,360 km^2
yr^-1. This rate means that one meteorite per year falls on an area
With all of the meteorites that my two more experienced
hunting partners and I have found in Arizona, I would still worry about
the one that might be buried under a bit of dirt or sand, or be hidden
among other rocks. We generally use detectors and our
eyes.
Twink Monrad
The comment was made that:
If you want to reduce search time per (cold) meteorite find (i.e.
non-strewnfield), the #1 factor is survival time -- you must
maximize it any way you can:
1. Low deposition rate -- ideally a ~negative~ deposition rate: you'd
prefer a surface that is deflating
2.
What are the rules for off roading in NV? I've always wondered if you could
just drive out on the dry lake beds and search?
Rex
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Dave,
Being a former resident of Western PA and now living in Eastern PA...it is
hard to imagine how difficult it would be find a meteorite on the ground
surface in this jungle of a state. I would suspect the high amount of
precipitation and the extreme temperatures seen through the year would
it is Allen Shaw...not Alan,
Sorry Allen,
John
Dave,
Being a former resident of Western PA and now living in Eastern PA...it is
hard to imagine how difficult it would be find a meteorite on the ground
surface in this jungle of a state. I would suspect the high amount of
precipitation
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Hello List, Two years ago today, Bernd pauli posted [meteorite-list]
Arizona Meteorite Hunters. It quoted Twink Monrad as saying;
I firmly believe that if a person were to go over
Dear List;
One more point, I recognized my 53.7 gram meteorite at about 40 feet
away, and could confirm it to be meteoritic at about 30 feet by the
excellent crust. I would have not seen it at all probably if I were in
a vehicle, or riding a four wheeler.
My method is walk ten steps, scan
When I'm out, especially in wooded areas where enough light is penetrating
the canopy, I'm pretty much encouraged by the fact that I can see seeds in
droppings and debris that have been around for a long time, years. An old
soda bottle covered with moss still in situ on the forest floor
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When I'm out, especially in wooded areas where enough light is penetrating
the canopy, I'm pretty much encouraged
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When I'm out, especially in wooded areas where enough light is penetrating
the canopy, I'm pretty much encouraged by the fact that I can see seeds in
droppings and debris that have been around for a long time, years. An old
soda bottle
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