Hi Jason, all -
Glad to hear you're done. That makes for a Merry
Christmas indeed! I and others will be working on
possible neutron flux from large hyper velocity
impacts over the next few days, and its nice to know
that you won't be distracting us with dribble.
Now as for your latest nonsense
E.P.,
After reading your last post, I've simply come to decide that this is
no longer worth the time.
Your selective replies, paired with your faulty logic - and failure to
even think or reason in a logical manner has left me with little hope
of ever bringing you to your senses.
I met with a few me
Hi all -
So we have a mammoth leg boiling on the fire. We now
have to get it off, and its hot.
> The only person in denial here is you, who refuses
to > accept the fact that he can't possibly know with
any
> certainty what sort of cosmic cataclysms caused
> either dust layer.
There's one dust l
Hi all -
Consider the following, from the Wikipedia entry on
Thomas S. Kuhn's The Structure Of Scientific
Revolutions. If recent impact events are viewed as a
new paradigm (and it seems to me to meet the criteria)
then this is more than a failure of perception
SSR:
"According to Kuhn, the scien
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:07:37 -0500, you wrote:
>guys, otherwise your tummies will be too full and sore to eat a nice
>Christmas dinner.
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:39 PM
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E.P., All,
> >To be perfectly frank, I've had enough of you, but I
> >do like getting the last word in, so here you go.
>
> Why do I have this feeling that this will not be the
> last word we hear from Jason?
Probably because we've not seen the last of you either; you're doing
the same thing ;)
t so simple... And you guys are simplifying
way too much, in the urge to bash each other.
Sterling K. Webb
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To:
Sent: Friday, December
Jason wrote:
>The only person in denial here is you, who refuses to
>accept the fact that he can't possibly know with any
>certainty what sort of cosmic cataclysms caused
either >dust layer.
And Darren chimed in:
>Sure he can. 200 years ago, between sips of
>firewater, some indian told some t
Hi Jason, all -
>To be perfectly frank, I've had enough of you, but I
>do like getting the last word in, so here you go.
Why do I have this feeling that this will not be the
last word we hear from Jason?
>Notice how no one else is agreeing with you.
Yeah, I noticed that Sterling and a few oth
to 10 mile crater about
> a half-mile deep; it leaves a big lake for a while, but its
> atmospheric effects spread around the entire globe and
> might have serious effects on climate. But neither of these
> will leave any trace "on the ground" other than the distant
> deposits of the type talked about. A physically trivial
> e
E.P, All,
> >Well, probably, though we have no real proof of their
> >having been blasted to death *anywhere.*
>
> Denial takes many forms.
Show me proof. Show me blackened bones.
Oh, that's right - there isn't any.
As I said before, I won't say that such events haven't happened,
because in all
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:29:13 -0600, you wrote:
>If a comet makes a close pass to Earth once, will it eventually make closer
>and closer passes until we collide? Why?
But if enough of them gang up against us, they can toss us out in the cold!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/0712
Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:11 AM
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Hi, EP, List,
EP wrote:
...the gravitational effects of the Earth+Moon system
should draw items in, gradually chang
Hi Jason -
You wrote:
>Well, probably, though we have no real proof of their
>having been blasted to death *anywhere.*
Denial takes many forms.
> I'm not an idiot.
No one said you were. It simply that your efforts to
rationalize away the deaths from these impacts is
reducing your replies to
Hola Sterling, E.P., All,
> Concerning recent impacts (<12,000 years old), what
> I've noticed over the years is that some people go
> into denial, and those denial mechanisms are sometimes
> really pretty bizarre. It's tough to accept on a gut
> level that as things now sit you, your family, your
Hi Sterling, Jason, all -
Concerning recent impacts (<12,000 years old), what
I've noticed over the years is that some people go
into denial, and those denial mechanisms are sometimes
really pretty bizarre. It's tough to accept on a gut
level that as things now sit you, your family, your
friends,
aller object, a "slingshot"
effect we use on spacecraft. Jupiter is renowned for kicking
things out of the solar system by this method.
Sterling K. Webb
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erred to the smaller object, a "slingshot"
effect we use on spacecraft. Jupiter is renowned for kicking
things out of the solar system by this method.
Sterling K. Webb
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Hi all:
I am not an expert in this subject, so maybe I should not say anything
(but I will anyway).
When something "just misses" the Earth, its orbit will get changed. I
would assume similar to Apophis, in 2029, that there is a very small
chance that a close approach would lead to an even closer
rth once, will it eventually make closer
and closer passes until we collide? Why?
Best wishes and Life
Doug
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew, just rig
Hi Sterling, Larry, all -
I'm feeling a bit thick headed today, so I'm going to
argue for a lower Earth impact rate again.
It seems to me that another problem with all of these
crater models is their assumption that an impactor is
either going to hit or miss. It seems to me that in
the real wor
I couldn't agree more!
Jerry Flaherty
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"Meteorite-list"
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007
Utas"
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Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew
YOU WROTE
Neolithic man never hunted game down to
extinction. It takes so long, you'd starve first. [They weren't stupid,
you know.] They we
ou move
> on and game recovers. Neolithic man never hunted game down to
> extinction. It takes so long, you'd starve first. They weren't stupid,
> you know. They were opportunists, and they lived off the fat of
> the land, not the lean.)
Well, then climate change could well have been the culprit - but what
cause the climate
Hi Jason, all -
Yes, you're making sense: we don't know the rate of
impacts for the last 50,000 years.
For that matter, we don't know what the current rate
of impact is. And therein lies the problem that I had
been working on for some 7 years before my stroke,
recovering accounts of comet and a
y.) Like a boxer, it's how many times you get
hit... not how many scars you have.
Sterling K. Webb
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Cc:
Sent: Monday, December 17, 200
YOU WROTE
Neolithic man never hunted game down to
extinction. It takes so long, you'd starve first. [They weren't stupid,
you know.] They were opportunists, and they lived off the fat of
the land, not the lean.
Brackets[] Mine
Well maybe some were. Consider some of our family members, friends an
27;t
that. Either "something" happened or Man the Mass Murderer is
responsible. (A ridiculous theory; when game is scarce, you move
on and game recovers. Neolithic man never hunted game down to
extinction. It takes so long, you'd starve first. They weren't stupid,
you know. They
Hola All,
But the main problem is that impact rates have not been constant since
the formation of a solid lunar crust a number of billions of years
ago, and as such, this declining rate biases the results put forth.
Simply put, we're talking about craters having formed in the past ~50k
years, as th
Hi Again:
I found it!
It (the impact cross section) is (I should have realized) incoming
velocity dependent. For objects going at 50 km/s the cross sectional area
of the Earth is increased by 5%. However, for something approaching at 25
km/s, this increases to 20%!
For something going really slo
Hi All:
I was wanting to find REAL numbers, but may have to rely on memory:
1. The Moon stops very little of what might hit the Earth. The cross
section of the Moon is pi x radius(Moon)**2. A sphere at the Moon's
distance is
4 x pi x radius(orbit)**2. Since the distance from the Earth to the Moon
Hi Sterling, list -
Thanks for clarifying the impact crater situation,
though I am still sceptical about the models of Moon
impact rates and Earth impact rates.
I know that the Moon absorbed some impactors that were
headed for the Earth - at least it did so within human
recorded memory, and if a
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Sterling, E.P., All,
For the record, I like my peppered mammoth
with lemon butter...
Thick-cut, salt and pepper.
Jason, think about Tunguska. A
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:58:39 -0800, you wrote:
>Well, mass extinctions should give us something of a clue even if we
>can't find traces of an impact, but if I'm not mistaken, the mass
>die-outs occurred several thousand years after the dust layer was laid
>down, no?
The mass extinctions of giant
ified all
> possible threats from the universe at large. A threat event
> with few trace markers could be quite frequent and still be
> very difficult to detect in the absence of such an event.
Well, mass extinctions should give us something of a clue even if we
can't find traces of an impact, but if I'm not mistaken, the mass
die-outs occurred several thou
E.P., Sterling, All,
> Firstly, it's not "my" crater, nor "my" impactites. I
> first saw this on National Geographic TV, and had not
> even read Firestone's Mammoth Trumpet piece until
> Sterling pointed it out to us. This was Kenneth's
> team's work.
Well, seeing as you're the only one advocatin
be quite frequent and still be
very difficult to detect in the absence of such an event.
Sterling K. Webb
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To:
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoth Stew
Hi
Hi Jason, all -
Firstly, it's not "my" crater, nor "my" impactites. I
first saw this on National Geographic TV, and had not
even read Firestone's Mammoth Trumpet piece until
Sterling pointed it out to us. This was Kenneth's
team's work.
Secondly, I made no estimate of crater size - though
if I w
Hello E.P., All,
> 1) From the descriptions, the spherules in the tusks
> appear to be the result of the condensation of iron
> plasma, the same as at Barringer crater.
Completely wrong. The spherules from CD are spherules that condensed
out of the atmosphere and fell to Earth as solid spherules
Hi all -
1) From the descriptions, the spherules in the tusks
appear to be the result of the condensation of iron
plasma, the same as at Barringer crater.
2) When Nininger did his survey of spherules at
Barringer crater, I doubt if he looked several hundred
miles away from the crater - that's wh
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