RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
I spoke to the CalDAV chaps at Apple about this, they have hCalendar support as a ticket in their db: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/calendarserver/ticket/19 Cool! Thanks. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Marks Sent:

[uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
I tend to prefer the combination of IRC+wiki, Slightly off topic, but can anyone recommend a good free IRC client for WinXP? -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tantek Ç elik Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:49 PM To:

RE: [uf-discuss] hCalendar spec- no specification included!

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
FYI, I have in mind a proposed list of goals I plan to send out for everyone to comment on, but I will be away from the computer for 2-3 days so I want to wait until I get back. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent:

RE: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
span class=currency title=USD$1,000/span In the US that will mean one dollar, in Argentina (where I'm from) it will mean a thousand dollars. I believe you misunderstood what I was proposing; a shorthand for cases where it was unambiguous. When it was ambiguous it would require more. Unless I

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-20 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 10/20/06, Emiliano Martinez Luque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That example in particular might not be a problem but consider the following: span class=currency title=USD$1,000/span In the US that will mean one dollar, in Argentina (where I'm from) it will mean a thousand dollars. And tying

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Colin Barrett
mIRC is practically free. I don't think it will shut down or anything if you don't register it. It's not that great, but it is used by a lot of people. Xchat is okay, and totally free. I don't know if it's still around but there used to be an IRC client called pIRCh. Of course, there's

[uf-discuss] Page-Global solution to Size Considersations (was Size considerations (or how to choose))

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
Maybe the size per amount marked-up can be addressed by focusing on providing a page-global solution? I don't know what's been discussed along those lines but here are my three cents: 1.) It seems like it should be a Design Pattern and not just something for a single Microformat 2.) I think it

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Charles Roper
Mike Schinkel wrote: I tend to prefer the combination of IRC+wiki, Slightly off topic, but can anyone recommend a good free IRC client for WinXP? I use Miranda (which is an all-round IM client and includes IRC) at home and AdiIRC at work. Both are free and nice 'n simple.

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-20 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: How does a human currently interpret a website that is have values such as $1,000 when it it was designed by a US company with US customers in mind? Is there something in the HTTP headers that makes this explicit that a machine could

RE: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
Thanks for the all input on chat programs! I'll check'em out and get on the IRC after I come back from this long weekend. -Mike ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org

RE: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
Cool, thanks. html lang=en-gb Question: how would someone implement a wiki with different pages in different languages since they don't have access to changing the header or HTML element for each wiki page? -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 10/20/06 1:52 AM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the all input on chat programs! I'll check'em out and get on the IRC after I come back from this long weekend. Mike, perhaps you could add a page to the wiki irc-clients listing the recommendations so far and adding your

RE: RE: title attribute and abbreviatedclassnames(Was:[uf-discuss]Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results)

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
we could introduce the implied optimisation that if there is no explicit 'amount' then the amount could be taken to be everything inside the 'money' that isn't the 'currency' That would simplify the markup in a large number of the cases, and I don't think would complicate the parsing

Re: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-20 Thread Ciaran McNulty
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: how would someone implement a wiki with different pages in different languages since they don't have access to changing the header or HTML element for each wiki page? I'm not that familiar with Wikis, they could probably implement

RE: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
Sure then, next week. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tantek Ç elik Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:01 AM To: microformats-discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client? On 10/20/06 1:52 AM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [uf-discuss] First version of Currency proposal

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
I'm not that familiar with Wikis, they could probably implement a per-page language setting. The problem is not whether they can or cannot, but whether they will or won't and whether the user (who won't be the developer in almost all cases) will have the skill and/or motivation to make the

Re: RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
The other great thing about exposing your data as microformats, is that the data becomes Open Data. Will the general public have access to the CalDAV? (probably not) and even if they did, it will probably only serve-up .ics files... what if i don't want ICS? i need to then hack that around to get

Re: [uf-discuss] Page-Global solution to Size Considersations (was Size considerations (or how to choose))

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the size per amount marked-up can be addressed by focusing on providing a page-global solution? I don't know what's been discussed along those lines but here are my three cents: 1.) It seems like it should be a Design Pattern and not

Re: [uf-discuss] SIOC presentation at CommerceNet, sprinkled with MicroFormats - October 26 at 4:00 in Palo Alto

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
excellent, be sure to add all the information to the wiki: http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations http://microformats.org/wiki/events On 10/19/06, Alex Piner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be a presentation at CommerceNet's Tech Thursday on Semantically Interlink Online Communities -

Re: RE: RE: title attribute and abbreviatedclassnames(Was:[uf-discuss]Currency Quickpoll: Preliminary results)

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I am just starting to grok how you have been using abbr vs. span/div but practically what I remember hearing and reading to date was that classes and titles can be equally applied to any HTML element, so that made me think they were all

Re: [uf-discuss] in hcalendar, associating single date with multiple events?

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
I had a look at your mark-up, and normally you would use the include-pattern to reference data elsewhere on a page, but your have days in one place and times in another, so you can't really split that with the include-pattern. Lets see what we can do with this example from the page:

[uf-discuss] Implementation Idea for prev and next

2006-10-20 Thread Christian Heilmann
Talking to Jeremy at the WSG Microformats thingamajing yesterday and to Drew and Ed in the office today, I thought it'll be a good idea to implement prev and next as attribute values to microformats. As you may be aware, a rel of prev and next on LINK elements of the documents indicated a

Re: [uf-discuss] Implementation Idea for prev and next

2006-10-20 Thread Lorenzo De Tomasi
My past thoughts about this subject (always updated at http://isotype.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/document-navigation-module/ ) are the following. I hope they can be interesting for you. Thank you. - - - - - Document navigation module Every

Re: [uf-discuss] hResume - Marking up experience and present date

2006-10-20 Thread brian suda
Jeremy Boggs wrote: Hi List, Another newbie question: I'm marking up my CV using hResume, and I'm a little uncertain about how best to combine hCard and hCalendar classes to mark up experience.[1] Right now, I'm using the following markup: dl class=experience vevent dt class=summary

Re: [uf-discuss] IRC Chat Client?

2006-10-20 Thread Benjamin West
I use gaim. Nice unified interface for all my chatting needs. On 10/20/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure then, next week. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tantek Ç elik Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:01 AM To:

[uf-discuss] hReview-ing an hReview

2006-10-20 Thread Andy Gregorowicz
Pardon of this is a n00b question, but I was wondering what would be the proper way to review a review, or write an hReview of an hReview on another site. If site A has a page the contains an hReview, and site B would like to create an hReview for the one on site A, what would be the

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview-ing an hReview

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
That is why we also try and push publishers to always use the @id. If there were an ID then you could use a full URL with a #fragment -brian On 10/20/06, Andy Gregorowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pardon of this is a n00b question, but I was wondering what would be the proper way to review a

Re: RE: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-20 Thread Charles Roper
On 20/10/06, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- the tricky thing is that there are no namespaces in Microformats, so if you use cur, sure it is scopped to 'money', but it is now a 'reserved word' for all of microformats. As it was pointed out in a previous message, then what happens to

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

2006-10-20 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 19, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In itself, it's not significant, as it is well under a packet size, as I said, and so will not affect download time. Why is packet size relevant? The cost of sending and

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs. CalDAV?

2006-10-20 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:18 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: P.S. Also, I think a great addition to the FAQ would be to list of standard like vCard and CalDAV etc. and give arguments for why Microformats should be considering in parallel as opposed to an alternate. Tantek explained these things in

[uf-discuss] [admin] mailing list policies reminder

2006-10-20 Thread Ryan King
div class=reminder This is a just a friendly reminder for everyone to read our mailing list policies - http://microformats.org/mailinglists-policies/ . The reason for the reminder is that this list has grown, ema lot/em and many of the policies are meant to help everyone deal with and

Re: [uf-discuss] hResume - Marking up experience and present date

2006-10-20 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Jeremy Boggs wrote: Agreed, for now, this is an excellent point to start: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-issues Thanks for setting this up, Tantek. So, if we want to discuss further issues with this problem, should we post them there, on that wiki

Re: [uf-discuss] [admin] mailing list policies reminder

2006-10-20 Thread Ryan King
On Oct 20, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Ryan King wrote: ... For those of you who aren't going to read it, below is a list of points that might be most helpful to follow. * trim your replies ruthlessly * keep your sig short * if you're talking about something, give us a URL to it * plain text email

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview-ing an hReview

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 13:22 -0400, Andy Gregorowicz wrote: If site A has a page the contains an hReview, and site B would like to create an hReview for the one on site A, what would be the proper way to reference it? I know that I could include the url for the page at site A in the

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation Microformat: Examples (wiki structure seems confusing)

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Suda
Thanks for doing the research Joe, i'll gladly add the examples in the next few days and update the wiki and schemas accordingly. Then i'll let you know and you can tweaki it as needed with any relevant links, annotations, and/or additional examples. Thanks, -brian On 10/19/06, Joe Andrieu

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations

2006-10-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Oct 19, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Why is packet size relevant? The cost of sending and receiving data in TCP/IP is broken up into fixed costs (ie, things that are constant for every connection or every packet) and

[uf-discuss] Advocacy Page on Wiki

2006-10-20 Thread Mike Schinkel
I created an Advocacy page on the Wiki. http://microformats.org/wiki/Advocacy If it's not the right place for it, of course please move it... -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Marks Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:00 AM To: