Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't everything you both mentioned
covered by the much more generic proposal for hListing [1]?
If we were to go down the route of a wine µF, the next step would be
beer, but then the real-ale types would want a real-ale one, and the
lager people would want a lager
There was a discussion on this exact topic a few days ago:
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-November/007125.html
Have a read through that, there are a few suggestions. I would first
attempt to mark-up as much as possible with existing microformats.
hListing was
There was a discussion on this exact topic a few days ago:
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006
-November/007125.html
Have a read through that, there are a few suggestions. I
would first attempt to mark-up as much as possible with
existing microformats.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't everything you both
mentioned covered by the much more generic proposal for hListing [1]?
I think you misunderstood at least where I'm coming from. I jumped in on
this thread since it was discussing wine but I was not intending to propose
a wine microformat
Any takers? I'm willing to start putting together an -examples and
-brainstorming page, but I don't want to invest tens of hours in the
project if people think it's semi-stupid or we consider that but then
we figured out it was a bad idea.
hItem is probably a better name indeed.
Regards, etc...
On 11/16/06, James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you misunderstood at least where I'm coming from. I jumped in on
this thread since it was discussing wine but I was not intending to propose
a wine microformat (as the original subject indicates). Anyway, what I was
asking about was the
I would voice a few worries...
1) Dublin Core spent YEARS looking at metadata about 'things' and they
narrowed things down to a handful of properties. It has been
brought-up before to possibly model DC terms.
2) when you look for 'real-world' examples you will find things
everywhere. There are
On 11/16/06, James Jory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you misunderstood at least where I'm coming from. I jumped in on
this thread since it was discussing wine but I was not intending to propose
a wine microformat (as the original subject indicates). Anyway, what I was
asking about was the
I certainly appreciate the #2 concern and I'll have a look at what
they did in #1. My thought is not to universally capture all
attributibutes of thingyness, but rather a few key concepts that are
more or less already in use, particularly in microformats (i.e. fn,
photo, url; also adr and geo).
On 11/16/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... Best way to get started is to find some
existing examples in the wild - not microformatted.
+1, do you have a site where there are some wine examples. We need to
pull this out of a theoretical idea to an actual page. Then we can
I think to a certain extent, just marking an item as an item could be
quite powerful, enabling you to easily see that this is a thing, it
is owned by this hcard, it is for sale at this price and these are
several reviews of it. These are the thoughts that tempt me. Although
I'm still torn.
Exactly my thoughts, except for the torn part.
My thinking, which is probably non-representative of the group, is
that if (1) something is being widely done on the web and (2) there is
really meaning there, then there's probably value in having a
microformat there to represent it, even if the
Hi all.
2c from an infrequent poster...
It seems pretty clear to me that certain products have lots and lots of content
written about them (book reviews, movie reviews, and wine reviews) whereas
others do not (schnapps, for example).
For those areas where intense reviewing happens, there is
I'm not sure if this is possible or not, but I am trying to add hCard
formatting to our web directory. Everything is working fine (at least I
can see it with the FF Tails extension). What I'd like to do now is add
a download vcard link to each entry. I was trying to use the X2V
transformation,
On Nov 16, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Michelle Tarby wrote:
I'm not sure if this is possible or not, but I am trying to add
hCard formatting to our web directory. Everything is working fine
(at least I can see it with the FF Tails extension). What I'd like
to do now is add a download vcard link to
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Sho
Kuwamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
One caveat is that the microformats list may not a great place to find
a ton of people to discuss the pros and cons of how to structure this
information. The kinds of discussions you want to have are really
specific to the world
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Jory
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At this point I'd like to begin proposing and documenting how wine
information and microformats can be used together.
It would be possible to mark up grape varieties, yeast and, indeed,
Botritis, using the 'Species' microformat.
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Bruce
D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
A page in that context is simply not the same as a page in a full
bibliographic entry. You'd have to call it cited-pages or some such.
It seems to me that the following properties might be recorded:
the total number of
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James
Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I think to a certain extent, just marking an item as an item could be
quite powerful
But what is an item? A physical object? A concept? A word? A
paragraph?
If anything, I'd work in the opposite direction; find common
I think the purpose of this is that it is vague. Or perhaps
'Versatile' might be a more positive word.
I think it covers a lot of ground hListing covers (all of it?),
however, I think what me and David are struggling with is it being
stuck on items just for sale. I can imagine this being
hListing can definitely be about an hItem, but I think they're separate:
- hListings can be about people (I assume)
- the title of a listing (for example) the greatest record ever made
is not necessarily the same as the title of the item (i.e. Who's
Next)
- the price in a listing may be
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar
didn't list the hCalendar
fields, let alone say which are mandatory and which are optional!
hCalendar issues may be added to this page:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott
Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
So, if page count is out of the scope of hCite, and if it turns out
(from my observation about media-info) that it doesn't fit into the
media-info format, would page count just not be marked up at all?
What exactly would we
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
- the price in a listing may be different that the real price/value
of an item (!)
Then we need price (if not price, list-price, offer-price,
minimum-bid, current-bid, etc.) and value.
It should be possible, of course, to label
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan
King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
The problem is that the current Microformat process is not at all
scalable.
You seem to assume that we want to scale. :D
And you imply that we do not. Can you
Again, and I don't mean to sound dismissal:
What does the inclusion of 'total number of pages' grant you here?
If you can't grab total number of pages, does your plan of absolute
bird book aggregation fail miserably?
It seems to me that the citation aggregator would be/could be doing
something
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian
Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
do you have a site where there are some wine examples
Try a search using the wine finder at:
http://www.superplonk.co.uk/home/home.asp
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ross
Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If you can't grab total number of pages, does your plan of absolute
bird book aggregation fail miserably?
I'm not sure what you think can be achieved by such an asinine comment.
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Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ross
Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If you can't grab total number of pages, does your plan of absolute
bird book aggregation fail miserably?
I'm not sure what you think can be achieved by such an asinine comment.
I think the question
On 11/16/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure what you think can be achieved by such an asinine comment.
Look, we all have our use cases. All I'm asking is that if total
number of pages is omitted, are your hopes dashed?
My use case, OpenURL linking, has fairly specific
On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
It seems to me that the following properties might be recorded:
This is a nice list, Andy. Thanks!
the total number of pages in a publication (be that a book,
magazine, thesis, etc.)
the total number of pages in a
On Nov 16, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
Honestly, the more metadata the merrier. But I think inclusion of
more metadata elements than absolutely necessary will be a turn off.
Exactly. We'd all like more structured data on the web. But
creating structures for data doesn't always
On Nov 13, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Brian Suda wrote:
This is the new home for all the citation transformations:
http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/hcite/
Thanks Brian.
I've marked up some book examples at:
http://clioweb.org/hcitations.php
For some reason, when I do a transformation, I get
Andy Mabbett wrote:
c/f recent discussion about uF mailing lists, and my comment:
For example, several academic and professional taxonomists have
told me in e-mail that they would be interested in the species
proposal, (and one astronomer, likewise, for mars/ luna),
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