[uf-discuss] RDFa Basics video (8 minutes)

2008-01-07 Thread Manu Sporny
Finished an RDFa Basics video this weekend. It attempts to explain RDF, CURIEs, N3 and basic RDFa in 8 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldl0m-5zLz4 Thought some of you would want to learn about some of the upcoming features of XHTML2 as well as compare and contrast how RDFa differs from

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Jan 7, 2008 9:54 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nor should you replace 31 Dec 2007 with 2008-01-01, as is currently done in: abbr class=dtend title=2008-01-0131 Dec 2007/abbr I can't understand how

[uf-discuss] Non-HTTP tags

2008-01-07 Thread Tom Morris
The rel-tag specification says that tags ought to be HTTP URIs. In a page I'm authoring at the moment, I'm using non-HTTP URIs as tags - specifically I'm using irc: URIs (like irc://irc.freenode.net/microformats) as tags. Operator seems fine with it. I'm wondering whether other tag parsers

Re: [uf-discuss] Non-HTTP tags

2008-01-07 Thread Brian Suda
On 07/01/2008, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rel-tag specification says that tags ought to be HTTP URIs. In a page I'm authoring at the moment, I'm using non-HTTP URIs as tags --- this is interesting. I can´t speak for the original intent of only HTTP, but one reason might be

Re: [uf-discuss] RDFa Basics video (8 minutes)

2008-01-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Manu Sporny wrote: Constructive feedback would be great, as I'll probably be doing the advanced RDFa tutorial in a month or so, and will need to know what worked and what didn't in the RDFa Basics video. I'm relatively new to RDFa and this is a great introduction. I'm probably going to say

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread ryan
On Jan 6, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I want to specify a work-related telephone number, but I just want to label it 'Phone:'. The closest I can find to do this is the abbr, however, work is not an abbreviation of

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Jan 6, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I want to specify a work-related telephone number, but I just want to label it 'Phone:'. The closest I can find to do

Re: [uf-discuss] RDFa Basics video (8 minutes)

2008-01-07 Thread Scott Reynen
On Jan 7, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: @class wasn't used because they didn't want to stomp on the Microformats community's implementation, among other reasons. In certain RDFa implementations, bad things happened when you mixed RDFa and Microformats on the same page. Can you maybe

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 11:52 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Jan 6, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I want to specify a work-related telephone number, but I

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In any case, how is that different from: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-01-077 Jan/abbr where 2008 is hidden? title attribute is displayed in tool-tips in some, but far from all, browsers.

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 2:42 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In any case, how is that different from: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-01-077 Jan/abbr where 2008 is hidden? title attribute is displayed in tool-tips

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes title attribute is displayed in tool-tips in some, but far from all, browsers. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.4.3 Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 3:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data in the class attribute is a known anti-pattern. extended-address, street-address, locality, region - all just as much data in class attributes. properties!=values. types/schema are not just as much data. Tantek

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Katrina
Tantek Çelik wrote: On 1/7/08 2:42 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In any case, how is that different from: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-01-077 Jan/abbr where 2008 is hidden? title attribute is displayed

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 4:01 PM, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: On 1/7/08 2:42 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In any case, how is that different from: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-01-077

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 1/7/08 3:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data in the class attribute is a known anti-pattern. extended-address, street-address, locality, region - all just as much data in class attributes.

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I just don't seem to understand how the Microformats community decides what sort of meta-data is acceptable and what others aren't? The /community/ doesn't. That's part of the problem. -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Mostly microformats just markup existing data in the page so that machines can find it and know what type of data it is. The name: Rebecca Jayne Smith can be marked up - correctly and validly - as either: foo

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 4:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 1/7/08 3:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data in the class attribute is a known anti-pattern. extended-address, street-address, locality, region

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Andy Mabbett wrote: When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that labelled each telephone number as work? When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that included the managers' home numbers? In that same vein, we could ask: when did you last see a phone

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 5:19 PM, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to avoid the meta discussion and go back to Kat's specific problem (she wants to specify a phone as work but without the content containing work or any of its abbreviations), maybe something that would work would be to have an

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Guillaume Lebleu
Tantek Çelik wrote: On 1/7/08 5:19 PM, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: voice in fact is already default value of the type sub-property for tel: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#adr_tel_email_types Thanks for the pointer. Sorry I missed that. Perhaps you could document your

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Katrina
Guillaume Lebleu wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that labelled each telephone number as work? When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that included the managers' home numbers? In that same vein, we could ask: when

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Sarven Capadisli
I suppose I should have posted this in the mailing list: http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2007-12-06#T192503 -Sarven On 1/7/08, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guillaume Lebleu wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: When did you last see a listing of, say, Pizza restaurants that labelled