Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-17 Thread John Allsopp
Ben, Even in the past 10 days, only a small minority of people have shown an inclination to engage in this meta-discussion. there might be cultural reasons for that. I for myself have bitten my tongue, as I've found these discussions tend to produce negative outcomes. But I'd suggest

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-17 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 18 mars 2008 à 07:27, John Allsopp a écrit : there might be cultural reasons for that. I for myself have bitten my tongue, as I've found these discussions tend to produce negative outcomes. But I'd suggest that lack of piping up on this form is not entirely evidence that people don't

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-17 Thread Jim R. Wilson
David Janes said: I'm very sympathetic to the case Ryan, et. al. are making. If the Wiki becomes a battleground for edits over pedantic over-interpretation of the community rules and standards, it will quickly become useless to anyone and a time drain on everyone. I read the how-to-play

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-17 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:27 PM, John Allsopp wrote: Even in the past 10 days, only a small minority of people have shown an inclination to engage in this meta-discussion. But I'd suggest that lack of piping up on this form is not entirely evidence that people don't care. It's important (for

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-16 Thread Ben Ward
On 15 Mar 2008, at 22:09, Jesse Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a risk that without the formality, leadership, andstrength then why doesn't IE8 rename things and add a little bit here and there? How about Google? They may want their own gCal format because hCal is just a hobby. Does

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-15 Thread Jesse Rodgers
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Eric A. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think anyone's ever been voted into the position of anything in the microformats community, because it's really not a process-driven kind of place. There's no process for approving new microformats, for

Regaining focus (Was: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett)

2008-03-14 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. I'm likewise back from vacation now, so just now responding to this. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-14 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 4:45 PM -0500 3/8/08, Manu Sporny wrote: With respect, I have no idea how Drew McLellan, Eric A. Meyer, and Dan Cederholm became admins. Is there a secret handshake? Were they voted into the position? How are these things done? Sorry, I missed this bit until just now. I can only

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-14 Thread Philip Tellis
On 13/03/2008, Eric A. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: e-mail and IM servers. (Do communication protocols even use handshakes any more?) yes ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-10 Thread Michael Smethurst
+1 On 8/3/08 21:45, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This is an unjust punishment, especially considering that he is

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-10 Thread Jim O'Donnell
On 8 Mar 2008, at 21:45, Manu Sporny wrote: Andy was tried as guilty, without complete documentation There is still no documentation as to what Andy has done in the past to warrant this type of ban. In the admin's post to the list,

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-09 Thread Jim O'Donnell
On 8 Mar 2008, at 21:45, Manu Sporny wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This is an unjust punishment, especially considering that he is one of the

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-09 Thread John Allsopp
Likewise, john On 09/03/2008, at 9:38 AM, Jeff McNeill wrote: +1 -- Sincerely, Jeff McNeill http://jeffmcneill.com/ On 3/8/08, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-09 Thread David Janes
Perhaps a ban on editing wiki pages that are not being championed by Andy would be more appropriate? I'm very sympathetic to the case Ryan, et. al. are making. If the Wiki becomes a battleground for edits over pedantic over-interpretation of the community rules and standards, it will quickly

[uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Manu Sporny
I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This is an unjust punishment, especially considering that he is one of the largest contributors to our community. Rather than

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Sarven Capadisli
I must say I was embarrassed to read Manu's response to Andy's ban due to not speaking out about the ban sooner. I felt that there must have been something that the admins knew better then myself about this 'slowing down the process' business. I was nevertheless shocked to hear about the ban

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Jeff McNeill
+1 -- Sincerely, Jeff McNeill http://jeffmcneill.com/ On 3/8/08, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This is an unjust

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I have had more purposeful discussion with people off-list than on-list as of late Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with this too. A number things I've done lately have been under the banner of Semantic HTML

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Paul Wilkins
On 3/9/08, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got back from vacation, otherwise this would have gone out sooner. It has come to my attention that Andy Mabbett has been banned by the admins for 18 months[1]. This is an unjust punishment, especially considering that he is one of the

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Derrick Lyndon Pallas
1.) Quantity != Quality. (Maybe Web 2.0 decided otherwise, but I'm old school.) 2.) No one person is worth more than the cohesiveness of a community in the case of community development. 3.) Andy != Gandhi. Overthrowing the rule of a foreign power is unrelated to anything that happens in

Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett

2008-03-08 Thread Manu Sporny
Derrick, I'd like to address each of your statements as they seem to be assuming things that were not said in the post to the mailing list. Derrick Lyndon Pallas wrote: 1.) Quantity != Quality. (Maybe Web 2.0 decided otherwise, but I'm old school.) The argument that quantity == quality was