Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-25 Thread Dan Ferguson
Hello Butch, Thanks for your insight with this problem. I read through the information and your blog. I believe we should pursue implementing the method you mention to try and balance the usage of the users. The prioritization script is something we want also but at the moment even http is

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-25 Thread Dan Ferguson
Hi Matt, I would love to be able to put in a real alternative to satellite, I would be their hero. It's just not feasible for us with the size and cashflow of our company. Just the setup of one remote powered site might cost more than a years worth of revenue from the town when including

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-25 Thread Dan Ferguson
It's a brutal environment, and that's when you are at ground level. On mountain tops you have to take extreme measures to protect your equipment. I have been to a some easier to reach mountain sites and they were nasty. When we up there several dishes had been ripped off the tower, heavy ice

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-25 Thread Dan Ferguson
You are right on the money, limited sun up here in the winter. The look angle on our old satellite service G4 had to by put on a roof just to clear the horizon. We always envisioned digging a trench to improve the signal. On 5/23/2010 8:17 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-25 Thread Robert Andrews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Last month we had a 24db 5Ghz panel ripped off its mounts by the wind. This is on top of a hill just behind the sierras and is only 3 feet off the ground. Ripped four bolts out of the back of the antenna. I was able to drive to the mountaintop,

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-25 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 04:15 -0800, Dan Ferguson wrote: What I was wondering is with the complexity of NAT and web-proxy would we be better off running a separate Mikrotik at the core just to handle the additional bandwidth control we are discussing? This really depends on the board. For

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-23 Thread Robert Andrews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can you keep a wind generator working in that environment? On 05/23/2010 08:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: There really aren't trees that you would worry about in that part of the world. Permafrost prevents most conventional trees from growing at all.

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Solar is going to require batteries due to the extreme nights, too. On 5/23/10, Robert Andrews rob...@avantwireless.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can you keep a wind generator working in that environment? On 05/23/2010 08:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: There really

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-23 Thread Bill Prince
That's a darn good question. I'm thinking it would be very challenging.. bp On 5/23/2010 9:06 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Can you keep a wind generator working in that environment? On 05/23/2010 08:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote: There really

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-22 Thread Bill Prince
All the satellites are seriously oversubscribed. That is probably the source of your varying bandwidth. Does your satellite provider have such a thing as a dedicated pipe (I don't know if that is even possible)? If you had dedicated bandwidth, then you would have the ability to parcel it

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-22 Thread Dan Ferguson
In the past I have considered some horrible kludge of a sat provider augmented with Hughs or Starband for caching maybe. I'm sure it would be painful and might not work so we haven't really pursued it. Plus the additional costs in equipment and dishes makes it hard to consider. Tying the two

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-22 Thread Bill Prince
When I looked at McGrath, I asked myself where were the nearest other places that might have bandwidth. This is what I came up with: Mountain Village: ~~ 270 miles Anchorage: ~~ 220 miles Talkeetna: ~~ 170 miles Those are all doable, but just thinking in increments

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Have you tried Butch's QOS? It is based more on priority then rates. On 5/21/10, Dan Ferguson d...@kyes.com wrote: Hello everyone, We have a site in a very tiny town in McGrath Alaska that we have to run on Satellite, the amount of bandwidth we receive is always variable. It's shared at a

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-21 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Hey Dan, What sat provider are you using? ryan (born and raised in Los Anchorage) On May 20, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dan Ferguson d...@kyes.com wrote: Hello everyone, We have a site in a very tiny town in McGrath Alaska that we have to run on Satellite, the amount of bandwidth we receive is

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-21 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 17:24 -0800, Dan Ferguson wrote: I haven't checked those out yet, I will have to go take a look. We are willing to try it, I am sure of that. I'm sorry, but I missed the first message in this thread. I will try to address some of your questions/concerns now, though.

Re: [Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-21 Thread Dan Ferguson
It's definitely in the middle of no where, I wouldn't want to live there. We originally helped them install Internet service there in 1998 with our previous company Spectrum Wireless, we assisted the local utility with installation and operation. At Spectrum we built wireless routers back then

[Mikrotik] Bandwidth shaping an unknown/variable amount of bandwidth

2010-05-20 Thread Dan Ferguson
Hello everyone, We have a site in a very tiny town in McGrath Alaska that we have to run on Satellite, the amount of bandwidth we receive is always variable. It's shared at a 5:1 ratio and uses compression, so we see bandwidth levels vary based on the other satellite users usage. The problem