Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-09 Thread Robert Andrews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ok, here's a little trick that we found out works pretty well. Anybody know a problem with it let the list know. We had a similar problem with Speakeasy's VOIP service. They wouldn't work with us to modify their terminal device. So we decided

[Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Bill Prince
We have a client that has a new HVAC system (Delta Controls). It uses a controller that can only talk L2. The HVAC guys for the client asked me to set up a portmap for port 47808. I did this, but it appears that the MT portmap substitutes the original (public) source address with the

Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Mike Lyon
Got a model number of the Delta Controls box? -Mike On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Bill Prince part...@skylinebroadbandservice.com wrote: We have a client that has a new HVAC system (Delta Controls). It uses a controller that can only talk L2. The HVAC guys for the client asked me to

Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Scott Reed
That is how portmap works. You map a port on device A to point to device B. All communication to the outside appears to come from the device doing the map. Can you create a VPN between the controller side and the outside service so it looks like it is on the same network? On 5/6/2011

Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Jacob Heider
It sounds like the device (unwisely) puts its IP address in the data stream. That's the only reason I can think of why it might need to be mangled. A la FTP, SIP, etc. Usually such protocols require application-layer gateways to fix up their traffic. At least, that's my inference from their

Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Bill Prince
Just talked to their tech in Canada. For whatever reason, their device tries to figure out whether it's talking to something on the LAN or whether it's talking to something on the WAN. When the packet comes in from the gateway, instead of just replying, it creates an unrelated UDP message

Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Scott Reed
That makes sense. So what if the other end did the reverse? Portmap with the application facing side having the same address as the the controller. Then the traffic appears to come from the address that is in the data. On 5/6/2011 5:14 PM, Jacob Heider wrote: It sounds like the device

Re: [Mikrotik] Mangle for an HVAC system?

2011-05-06 Thread Bill Prince
Don't know. I talked to their local service guy, and walked him through setting up the VPN. He dialed in, and it all worked. So case closed. It's one of those cases where their software must be on the local net, or they have a very narrow path they must walk from the outside. Probably