Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:15 AM +0100 Steffen Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, how to keep the Bad Guys out? You're required to build up a trust system, then. Right, but we already do that with black lists. ___ NOTE: If there is a

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Steffen Kaiser
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:15 AM +0100 Steffen Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, how to keep the Bad Guys out? You're required to build up a trust system, then. Right, but we already do that with black lists. Which had listed a major

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread David F. Skoll
Charles wrote: Do I understand you correctly that in the CanIT implementation you allow all source addresses from a host once one address has cleared greylisting from that host? Yes. We turn off greylisting for a host once one address has cleared it. (Well, we turn it off for 40 days --

RE: [Mimedefang] disclamer only for out going mails.

2005-12-15 Thread Cormack, Ken
-Original Message- From: bablu bablu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:27 AM Any one has solution for this. help me.. You can sense which direction the email is going (inbound or outbound) based on the IP address of the relaying server

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread David F. Skoll
Steffen Kaiser wrote: help a small company server. Perhaps a distributed greylist DB? Sort of like a DNSBL but with white-listing. MD could store the successful entries in a zone and we could publish our zones for others to use. OK, how to keep the Bad Guys out? You're required to build up

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Charles
Brian Leyton wrote: I think it might require a bit of prep work to make this a bit less noticeable. The recommendation of building a whitelist ahead of time looks like a very good idea, particularly for the main companies that we correspond with. How would you recommend going about this? I'm

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread netguy
Hi All, Brian Brian Leyton wrote: I am relatively new to MIMEDefang, and I'm very happy with what I've been able to do so far. I'd like to take things to a higher level though, and one of the areas I'd like to work on is greylisting. I've seen a couple of emails in the archives, and I've

[Mimedefang] unknown os error

2005-12-15 Thread Dave Helton
Could someone help me decipher this error msg. I can ping the host by name, I can telnet to it on port 25. It's pretty much a valid listserver, but I just can't find the source of this problem. Dec 15 09:50:39 web sendmail[26589]: jBEE79GY027808: to=beforethebell- [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Whittney
To All, I too have been thinking a lot about greylisting, and before spending the time on the MIMEDefang front (as I think it's much better to have it hooked in there, unless someone can say otherwise ;-) I thought I'd try it as a milter add-on: http://hcpnet.free.fr/milter-greylist/ I made

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Brian Leyton
Paul Whittney wrote: One other major problem I've run into, is ISP's providing additional MX records in the DNS. So the spam systems that follow the If the first attempt to send email fails, try the next MX happens, then the ISP sends it on, which will make it past the blacklist, and if

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Damrose, Mark
-Original Message- From: Paul Whittney define(`confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT', `j, {if_addr}') I'm a little worried on the effect of the confMILTER_MACROS_CONNECT macro, but it hasn't hurt MIMEDefang (that I can notice), so I need to do some background reading on it. Here's a

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Murphy
Paul, I too have been thinking a lot about greylisting, and before spending the time on the MIMEDefang front (as I think it's much better to have it hooked in there, unless someone can say otherwise ;-) I thought I'd try it as a milter add-on: http://hcpnet.free.fr/milter-greylist/ The

[Mimedefang] Interview with a spammer

2005-12-15 Thread WBrown
John Graham Cunning's Sapm and Anti-spam Newsletter had a link to an interesting article, Meet Average-Joe spammer at http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/440D22D8E10FE01DCC2570C9008001C5?OpenDocument that I found interesting. The spammer being interviewed states at the end of the

[Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Alex Moore
I have not seen this topic discussed. BTW, I appreciate the recent thread on greylisting. Spammer scenario: A spammer tries many times to find a user with something like a dictionary attack or a list of commonly used user names. How can I setup a rule in MIMEDefang to define those transactions?

Re: [Mimedefang] unknown os error

2005-12-15 Thread Jan Pieter Cornet
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 10:03:16AM -0600, Dave Helton wrote: Could someone help me decipher this error msg. I can ping the host by name, I can telnet to it on port 25. It's pretty much a valid listserver, but I just can't find the source of this problem. Dec 15 09:50:39 web sendmail[26589]:

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Jan Pieter Cornet
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 03:05:45PM -0600, Alex Moore wrote: A spammer tries many times to find a user with something like a dictionary attack or a list of commonly used user names. How can I setup a rule in MIMEDefang to define those transactions? Say when a smtp server tries 10 times

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread David F. Skoll
Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: It's tricky. I haven't done this yet but I'm sortof planning to. One possibility is to make sure all valid adresses are in virtusertable, and all invalid adresses map to some magic token that sendmail believes is valid, but really isn't. You could catch the magic

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Kelson
Alex Moore wrote: How can I setup a rule in MIMEDefang to define those transactions? Say when a smtp server tries 10 times within a short time period and is sent a 550 code each time. I think that it would appropriate to have MD just blacklist that address. Is that possible? I want to ignore

RE: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Mack
without giving too much away about how i've implemented this. Basically -- Greylisting (triplet based) Throttleing -- User Based agaist triplet scoring Remote IP --Against tries/retries Eg the last virus to do the rounds, that .Y or .Z depending on your AV, basically tried to send x million

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Alex Moore
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:49:20 +0100 Jan Pieter Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's tricky. I haven't done this yet but I'm sortof planning to. One possibility is to make sure all valid adresses are in virtusertable, and all invalid adresses map to some magic token that sendmail believes is

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Ben Kamen
Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 03:05:45PM -0600, Alex Moore wrote: A spammer tries many times to find a user with something like a dictionary attack or a list of commonly used user names. How can I setup a rule in MIMEDefang to define those transactions? Say when a smtp

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Ian Mitchell
From: Jan Pieter Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user An easier solution might be to have a process tail(1) your logfile and take action on the information there. I think I've even seen something like that: more than x invalid

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Jan Pieter Cornet
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 04:53:13PM -0500, David F. Skoll wrote: It's tricky. I haven't done this yet but I'm sortof planning to. One possibility is to make sure all valid adresses are in virtusertable, and all invalid adresses map to some magic token that sendmail believes is valid, but

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Kelsey Cummings
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 10:49:20PM +0100, Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: An easier solution might be to have a process tail(1) your logfile and take action on the information there. I think I've even seen something like that: more than x invalid recipients, and you're firewalled away. This works

RE: [Mimedefang] Greylisting

2005-12-15 Thread Brian Leyton
Charles wrote: Actually, you may just be able to use the greylist code. In my case, I put the greylist code into production but commented out the actual tempfail call. I let it run like that for about 2 weeks, during which time it is building up entries in mysql. After the two weeks, I

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Whittney
Little off the topic here.. On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 10:49:20PM +0100, Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: An easier solution might be to have a process tail(1) your logfile and take action on the information there. I think I've even seen something like that: more than x invalid recipients, and you're

Re: [Mimedefang] dictionary attacks looking for a valid user

2005-12-15 Thread David F. Skoll
Paul Whittney wrote: I've been thinking about that, but it was more for a realtime iptables, or realtime email monitoring for stats that doesn't involve tail the whole log, or open log every 5 minutes. tail -F works well, and is close enough to real-time that the delay is irrelevant.

RE: [Mimedefang] disclamer only for out going mails.

2005-12-15 Thread bablu bablu
Pl. help me I am not much of script writer Does anyone have a ready script available...for attaching disclamer only for internal users or specific domain or based on ip. Help me...pl.. Thanks in Advance. --- Cormack, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message-

Re: [Mimedefang] disclamer only for out going mails.

2005-12-15 Thread Rob MacGregor
On 16/12/05, bablu bablu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pl. help me I am not much of script writer You've obviously not caught the subtle hint. Generally, people on this list view these disclaimers in a less than positive light. You're not going to get much help beyond the pointers you've