Re: [Mimedefang] Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.

2007-01-24 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, David F. Skoll wrote: In one sense, it will work. However, in a very important sense, it will fail miserably. Most senders don't have a clue how to interpret a DSN, ! This is very true ! Even people, who - you

Re: [Mimedefang] Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.

2007-01-24 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Matthew Schumacher wrote: tagged and recipient B wants spam rejected, then we reject the message with Recipient B thinks this is spam (message was delivered to other recipients) then in filter_end we queue the message for

Re: [Mimedefang] Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.

2007-01-24 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:36:43PM -0900, Matthew Schumacher wrote: A fourth option is to introduce a spam folder, where you file suspected spams. We already use this currently. Then if you cannot reject an email for one user (because another user does want to receive the email), flag the

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP (was: Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.)

2007-01-24 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 04:05:21PM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:36 PM -0900 Matthew Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This doesn't work because most of the people using the mail system use POP3. I would love for people to ditch pop3, but due to poor

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP (was: Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.)

2007-01-24 Thread leloup
Am Mittwoch Januar 24 2007 11:04 schrieb Jan-Pieter Cornet: Users actually need to _do_ something to switch to imap, right, give new config in their clients :-) and rethink the way they store and view email. And last I heard Eudora and Outlook Express still didn't support imap anyway...

Re: [Mimedefang] Some spam tests not running Timeout maybe

2007-01-24 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 06:24:53PM -0800, David Reta wrote: I am having an issue with some spam slipping through. When I check the MSG.0 file from the quarantine against a manual run of the ENTIRE_MESSAGE file from the quarantine there are rules that are not hit. I am running them manually as

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP (was: Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.)

2007-01-24 Thread Rob MacGregor
On 1/24/07, Jan-Pieter Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users actually need to _do_ something to switch to imap, and rethink the way they store and view email. And last I heard Eudora and Outlook Express still didn't support imap anyway... Outlook Express has had IMAP support since at least

Re: [Mimedefang] Some spam tests not running Timeout maybe

2007-01-24 Thread Kees Theunissen
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, David Reta wrote: I am having an issue with some spam slipping through. When I check the MSG.0 file from the quarantine against a manual run of the ENTIRE_MESSAGE file from the quarantine there are rules that are not hit. I am running them manually as the same user as

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Users actually need to _do_ something to switch to imap, and rethink the way they store and view email. And last I heard Eudora and Outlook Express still didn't support imap anyway... I've use Outlook Express on a daily basis for many years (8+ I'm thinking) using only IMAP protocol. It's got

[Mimedefang] Re: IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Scott Silva
Jan-Pieter Cornet spake the following on 1/24/2007 2:04 AM: On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 04:05:21PM -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: --On Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:36 PM -0900 Matthew Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This doesn't work because most of the people using the mail system use POP3.

Re: [Mimedefang] Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.

2007-01-24 Thread Michael Sofka
I don't know if I can bring myself to do that, occasionally we have problems with false positives, so silently dropping mail would seriously aggravate the issue. People around here depend on the bounce messages. I'm sure we have false-positives, and misaddresses email, etc. But, the number

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Matthew Schumacher
Rob MacGregor wrote: On 1/24/07, Jan-Pieter Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users actually need to _do_ something to switch to imap, and rethink the way they store and view email. And last I heard Eudora and Outlook Express still didn't support imap anyway... Outlook Express has had IMAP

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Ben Kamen
Matthew Schumacher wrote: Outlook Express has had IMAP support since at least v4. Yea, and it's terrible. I concurr. And the problems outlook has with IMAP people attribute to IMAP... When I was on the IMAP mailing list.. several people brought up those kinds of issues with some amount of

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Joseph Brennan
Ben Kamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MS's lack of adherence to the protocol. To bring this closer to Mimedefang, let's look at MS's adherence to the smtp protocol. Outlook, under some circumstance, understands a 550 permanent error to mean try again forever. At the present time we have a

RE: [Mimedefang] Some spam tests not running Timeout maybe

2007-01-24 Thread David Reta
Thanks for the help. The output of the following two commands is matching up. Spamassassin -p /etc/mail/sa-mimedefang.cf ENTIRE_MESSAGE Spamassassin -p /etc/mail/spamassassin/sa-mimedefang.cf ENTIRE_MESSAGE. The 2 files are linked, also local.cf is linked to

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 07:27:31AM -0500, David F. Skoll wrote: Users actually need to _do_ something to switch to imap, and rethink Not only that, if a large ISP switches from POP3 to IMAP, they'll suddenly have to buy terabytes of storage... Hmm... so how did you know that I got the bill

Re: [Mimedefang] Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.

2007-01-24 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 08:41:58AM -0900, Matthew Schumacher wrote: IMAP customers, but I'm still not entirely sure how to pass a flag to mail.local to _one specific_ recipient from within MIMEDefang. And because of privacy, you can't have a header this should go into joe's spambox, of

Re: [Mimedefang] Questions about stream_by_recipient and problems it creates.

2007-01-24 Thread Jan-Pieter Cornet
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 08:36:59AM -0900, Matthew Schumacher wrote: [customize 550 reject message after data to specify which user was accepted and which wasn't] Do you think this will work? In one sense, it will work. However, in a very important sense, it will fail miserably.

Re: [Mimedefang] IMAP

2007-01-24 Thread Ben Kamen
Kenneth Porter wrote: Why support a free protocol with a quality implementation when you can *sell* them your proprietary alternative?! (Ie. Exchange.) The IMAP mail list has eluded to the same thing. ___ NOTE: If there is a disclaimer or other