Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]: If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually, free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are unlikely to ever recoup the initial

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: * Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]: If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually, free!). B IF the new, cool stuff has

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Jussi Peltola
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:53:52AM +0200, E.T wrote: * Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]: If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually, free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
Well, good interesting thoughts. Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile and then PIII-M which was predecessor to Pentium M mother card

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: Well, good interesting thoughts. Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year. Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it. The future is processor ARM, Openbsd suppoorted ARM is good way. This month, canoncial and

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:53 AM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year. Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it. The future is processor ARM,

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with long enough backup of data, encoded racks so only you or persons you allowed have access to

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Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with long enough backup of

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
Can't find any physical. Only those like this one http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in fact just confirmation that most of the problems come from inside of companies. Because it's much

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: Can't find any physical. Only those like this one http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in fact just confirmation that most of

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Miod Vallat
Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year. Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it. The future is processor ARM Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh. Miod

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035 , same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't specify eg. FSB for D510? Because it's worse? i86 is still same crap (and those

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035 , same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't specify eg. FSB for

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I did suggest more memory, but he was hard for cash at the time and vista was doing some stupid things anyway and it was so slow, taking 20 mins to boot that it was very difficult to speed up or fix because it took so long to do ANYTHING. He actually got an extra gig of memory yesterday and it has

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
Et en quoi l'iPad est le futur de l'informatique ? Pourquoi donc n'y a-t-il pas d'ARM multiprocesseurs ou multicoeurs ? Pourquoi donc n'utilise-t-on jamais de processeurs ARM lorsque l'on a des besoins importants en entrC)es/sorties, par exemple pour des serveurs de fichiers ou de base de

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:33:35 +0300 Jussi Peltola pe...@pelzi.net wrote: This is assuming 5 years service life, which is not very hard to get with carefully chosen hardware from the dumpster, but seems to be too much to ask when buying new... Hear, Hear, Applies to most non specialist

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
When someone get access to your OpenBSD machine (which is much more easy at your home) and do boot boot -s , then where is you security? ;-) A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove secure from

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which lock the metal case to the pc from bios setting and set the bios to prevent boot without

Small bug on filter.html page

2010-06-12 Thread Tomas Bodzar
Hi, there is a small bug on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html page. Here http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#syntax , in section src_addr, dst_addr it says : In addition, the :0 modifier can be appended to either an interface name or to any of the above modifiers to indicate that

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Have you run flash successfully on OpenBSD? I have not had much luck. Sorry, I haven't ran adobe flash on OpenBSD, running a linux browser and linux compatibility mode always put me off as I needed it so rarely. I know others have, but I'm not sure about recently. I ran gnash a while back

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:06:47 +0200 E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which lock the metal

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good? Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics, kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have been rebooted a lot, without precautions. We've always said fingerprint readers were

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:13:02 +0200 E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good? Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics, kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have been rebooted a

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Landry Breuil
On 6/12/10, E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: yes, datacenter in french, camera, backup, protection fire. Datacenter in frech : inverter on fire, crash server datacenter attack, maintenance operation catastrophy, server on fire site web black-out. It's reality in french. There is no accident,

Re: Small bug on filter.html page

2010-06-12 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 03:23:53PM +0200, Tomas Bodzar wrote: Hi, there is a small bug on http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html page. Here http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#syntax , in section src_addr, dst_addr it says : In addition, the :0 modifier can be appended to either

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-12 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 08:23:47PM -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: On 6/11/10 7:46 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: Haha odbc and mysqueel you do like pain eh? I know. But it's fast and when customers use MySQL, then you flow with it. Why do you need ms access? Strictly as a GUI interface only.

Mails from Self to List

2010-06-12 Thread dontek
Is it normal not to see mails from self on the list?

Re: Mails from Self to List

2010-06-12 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:10:34AM -0500, dontek wrote: Is it normal not to see mails from self on the list? No, it's not normal. It's most likely gmail doing this. IIRC, there's a setting somewhere, but I don't use gmail so I don't recall details. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD

Re: Mails from Self to List

2010-06-12 Thread Floor Terra
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:10 PM, dontek don...@gmail.com wrote: Is it normal not to see mails from self on the list? It is if you use Gmail. It filters out the duplicate mails. -- Floor Terra flo...@gmail.com www: http://brobding.mine.nu/

Re: Multiple Internet Connections and Inbound ftp-proxy to FTP Server Behind Firewall OpenBSD 4.7

2010-06-12 Thread dontek
Does anyone have inbound ftp-proxy with multiple internet connections and outbound load balancing working that can help me out? I've been banging my head against the wall for 3 days now trying every iteration of pf rules and idea that I can come up with and I just can't get the data connection to

Huawei E1750

2010-06-12 Thread David Zeillinger
Hello, I have a Huawei E1750 which shares its ID with the E161, which is in -current. I tried a snapshot from June 10, but ucom does not attach to umsm. Any hints? Regards, David umsm0 and umsm1 belong to an E220 umsm2 and umsm3 belong to the E1750 OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC) #28: Thu

Re: MPLS: Disable Penultimate Hop Popping?

2010-06-12 Thread Rolf Sommerhalder
What kind of HW do you use? The MPLS test setup is made from five ALIX boards, three as P routers in the core connected in a triangle, and two as PE routers. I do my tests with little soekris boxes and there the RTT is in the range of 4-5ms and indistinguishable from non MPLS operation.

No SMP without acpi?

2010-06-12 Thread TimH
I just got a semi-new HP laptop and it fails to boot unless I disable acpi. This isn't a big deal in itself, but it seems that it doesn't use both cores of the CPU when this is done. Is this normal? It's an HP ProBook 4510s if that's at all interesting... Included are the dmesg from when it

Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread E.T
Thank you for all the answers, I think we went around the issue. bye

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
Looks like you love Atom, I don't see why.

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-06-12, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: * Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]: If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually, free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real

Re: No SMP without acpi?

2010-06-12 Thread Brynet
TimH wrote: I just got a semi-new HP laptop and it fails to boot unless I disable acpi. This isn't a big deal in itself, but it seems that it doesn't use both cores of the CPU when this is done. Is this normal? Yes, normal, newer systems lack the legacy Intel MP mappings.. so if you disable

Re: No SMP without acpi?

2010-06-12 Thread Marco Peereboom
something in the gpe handler screwing up. please tar up the output of acpidump -o hplaptop and send that to me On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06:27AM -0700, TimH wrote: I just got a semi-new HP laptop and it fails to boot unless I disable acpi. This isn't a big deal in itself, but it seems that

Re: Multiple Internet Connections and Inbound ftp-proxy to FTP Server Behind Firewall OpenBSD 4.7

2010-06-12 Thread dontek
Forgive me; my dumba$$ somehow forgot to add the multipath routes to my hostname.if files for the two external interfaces. I'm amazed everything else was working.. Anyway, progress has been made but I'm still not 100%. [ ftp-proxy listening on localhost with rdr-to in PF]

I-O Data WN-B11/CFZ support

2010-06-12 Thread ra1978
Hello, Could you please add support CF WiFi card I-O Data WN-B11/CFZ ? Lack of support for this card - it's the only reason because of which I can not use OpenBSD on my Sharp Zaurus C3200. I think it is needed not only to me, many people have the same problem. Thanks a lot Best regards, Alex

Re: I-O Data WN-B11/CFZ support

2010-06-12 Thread Brynet
None of the developers are going to ok that patch, it's too short.