Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote on Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 06:38:52PM -0500: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:38:03 +0100 > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Andrew wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:56:58PM +: >> [ Pandoc ] >>> is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you are >>> writing any sort of

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan18-mandoc.pdf which leds me to the conference video. it was really interesting. > Nothing is wrong with trying to make things simple for users, quite > to the contrary. But that is not an excuse for delivering solutions > that are technically

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Martijn van Duren wrote on Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 06:40:51AM +0100: > On 11/6/19 12:07 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:12:52 +0100 >>> https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan18-mandoc.pdf >> If the preceding presentation was authored in mdoc(7), could you please >> post the mdoc

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Martijn van Duren
On 11/6/19 12:07 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:12:52 +0100 > Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > >> https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan18-mandoc.pdf > > If the preceding presentation was authored in mdoc(7), could you please > post the mdoc code that created it, and the mandoc(1)

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread 陈贤文
Dear Ingo, > Could I have a copy of the source text file of the presentation and the > command line(s) that produced the PDF file? I found it: https://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2018-mandoc.roff Yours sincerely, Xianwen

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread 陈贤文
Dear Ingo, > The following presentation also contains a few related remarks > on pages 32-34, especially on page 33: > > https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan18-mandoc.pdf I read through the entire presentation for the sake of seeing what kind of presentation mdoc could produce. The presentation

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:38:03 +0100 Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi, > > Andrew wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:56:58PM +: > > [ Pandoc ] > > is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you are > > writing any sort of documentation then I *highly* recommend > > checking it out > > I

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:12:52 +0100 Ingo Schwarze wrote: > https://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan18-mandoc.pdf If the preceding presentation was authored in mdoc(7), could you please post the mdoc code that created it, and the mandoc(1) command and any filter programs that caused it to be a

Re: Problems with route installation to fib from OSPF

2019-11-05 Thread Remi Locherer
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 02:09:09PM +0200, Joao Alves wrote: > Hi Remi, > > I've installed a lab with OpenBSD6.6 VM's to see if would happen in the > newer version. > > I was able to reproduce it again, but in slightly different manner. > > First of all, you need to have BGP running in FW's

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Marc Chantreux wrote on Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 07:56:03PM +0100: > can you explain us what's so wrong with keeping > simple things simple the way markdown allows us? https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article=20170304230520 The following presentation also contains a few related remarks on pages

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Marc Chantreux
> > > documentation language, mdoc(7), at all, neither for input nor for > > > output, already makes me raise an eyebrow or two > Vim has many useful HTML plugins (or write your own) yes ... but why should i bother with an uggly distracting format when i can have a format that is close visually

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 07:56:03PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > > there is no problem with other formats but can't you admit that for many > people, something like > > * denis > * brian > * doug > > is easier to write, read and edit than << ? > > > denis > brian > doug > > >

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit
On 05/11/2019 17:38, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Hi, Hello Ingo! Andrew wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:56:58PM +: [ Pandoc ] is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you are writing any sort of documentation then I *highly* recommend checking it out I strongly oppose that

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > > that said: i'll really give troff a try again when i will figure out how > > to create templates for the documents i need (as i said in a previous > > message: i have a layout problem) > > First mention of templates in this four dozen message thread. i replied to this thread but as

Re: new rust-libtls crates

2019-11-05 Thread Consus
On 17:33 Sat 02 Nov, Reyk Floeter wrote: > Why libtls? Because it is a sane TLS API with secure defaults. I > trust the decisions of the LibreSSL developers and libtls provides > some the best defaults. > > The code works on OpenBSD and Linux. Many distributions such as > Ubuntu don't seem to

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Martin Schröder
Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Roderick : > TeX produces dvi, a well documented and simple page description language. > Then it is transformed to postscript or pdf. Nope. pdfTeX was developed 25 years ago, LuaTeX 12 years ago. Both write PDF directly. Best Martin

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:58 PM Marc Chantreux wrote: > yes ... what's the point of using another format than postscript > directly. ... That's not a really question (nor does it fit here). > that said: i'll really give troff a try again when i will figure out how > to create templates for the

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Oliver Marugg
Hi Ingo Many thanks for your inputs concerning older, but interesting tools g/t-roff and refer(1). I didnt know them before. -oliver On 3 Nov 2019, at 16:41, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Hello, Xianwen Chen wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 04:16:43PM +0100: I am interested in giving _groff_ and

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > > is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you are writing > > any sort of documentation then I *highly* recommend checking it out > I strongly oppose that point. There is no need at all to bother > with pandoc when you write documentation. (It may be useful for > other

Re: libcrypto.so.46.0 warning after downgrade

2019-11-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
Dieter Rauschenberger wrote: > Mi misc, > > I had to downgrade to a former snapshot one week old. No matter how often we tell people "you can't do that without consequences" there is always someone who tries. Upgrades that move forward work. Upgrades that go backwards, will break in

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Andrew wrote on Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 12:56:58PM +: [ Pandoc ] > is one of the most useful tools I have ever used. If you are writing > any sort of documentation then I *highly* recommend checking it out I strongly oppose that point. There is no need at all to bother with pandoc when

libcrypto.so.46.0 warning after downgrade

2019-11-05 Thread Dieter Rauschenberger
Mi misc, I had to downgrade to a former snapshot one week old. Now I get the following warning on programs useing libcrypto: warning: libcrypto.so.46.0: minor version >= 1 expected, using it anyway A reboot does not help. How to fix this? Regards Dieter

Re: support new

2019-11-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
To quote my earlier answer: > Please go away. > > If somebody needs half a dozen tries before they manage to send an > email, that person is not qualified to help others with computers. I don't think we should add a link from the OpenBSD website to your company. ibrahim topbasi wrote on Mon,

support new

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