read fucking code. change fucking things. send some fucking diffs. get
fucking yelled at. learn from your fucking mistakes. show some fucking
passion. filter fucking misc@ and all this useless bleating into the
toilet.
none of us have time to spoon feed you in some “boot camp”
there are two
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 04:00:37AM +, e...@isdaq.com wrote:
rather than the programmer being responsible for
writing unsafe
code we need to regulate what the programmer can do just like we need to
regulate what the community can say, do, see, and think.
where do I sign up for OpenBSD
> I like where this thread is headed.
>
> To expand on this idea, maybe we should demonstrate how diversity and
> inclusiveness can work in an operating system via language choices.
> Why stop at TCL and LUA? Or even scripting languages in general. Why
> not Go, Rust, Haskell and Scala too?
>
On 1/1/20 6:06 am, Christer Solskogen wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM Marc Espie wrote:
>
>> We did retire vax, and we no longer have any platform without dynamic
>> libraries.
>>
>>
> OT but: out of sheer curiosity, why didn't VAX support dynamic libraries?
>
Did vax have an MMU?
On 1/1/20 3:13 am, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote:
> I'm curious to know if there are any languages other than C and perl in
> use in OpenBSD base.
/bin/sh?
*ducks*
--
Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL)
I haven't lost my mind...
...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.
On 31/12/19 10:57 pm, Daniel Boyd wrote:
> As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be their
> favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry Wall at this
> point—I’d like to say that perl should stay in base on its merits, all the
> perl-based system
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:57:47 -0600
> Eric Zylstra wrote:
>
> > Proposing such a huge project without the ability to do it? I may
> > have been a little disrespectful, but not the first one in the
> > thread. And my point wasn’t to be disrespectful, but to point out
> >
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:57:47 -0600
Eric Zylstra wrote:
> Proposing such a huge project without the ability to do it? I may
> have been a little disrespectful, but not the first one in the
> thread. And my point wasn’t to be disrespectful, but to point out
> that most proposals unaccompanied by
We could always rewrite the entire operating system in Pascal. FreePascal and
GNU Pascal are both GPL, so we’ll need to write a new compiler as well.
Shouldn’t take too long. Who wants to go register openpascal.org?
I’ll get a diff started
program OpenBSD;
begin
{ some code here }
end.
Sent
I am still waiting to this diff myself.
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> I guess I'm saying in these trying times it is considered disrespectful
> to dismiss completely labour-unsupported "ideas", obviously once we accept
> the Great Idea the OP will sit down and do all the
I guess I'm saying in these trying times it is considered disrespectful
to dismiss completely labour-unsupported "ideas", obviously once we accept
the Great Idea the OP will sit down and do all the required work to prove
the cast after the fact.
Eric Zylstra wrote:
> Proposing such a huge
Proposing such a huge project without the ability to do it? I may have been a
little disrespectful, but not the first one in the thread. And my point wasn’t
to be disrespectful, but to point out that most proposals unaccompanied by code
and that don’t solve obvious problems don’t seem to be
Isn't it a bit disrespectful to assume someone on misc@ is going to
write such a large diff?
> Maybe the OP could just go ahead and replace all the Perl code with Lua and
> then ask for feedback from the other devs? That is the OpenBSD way, right?
> If it really is a great idea, they’d all be
Maybe the OP could just go ahead and replace all the Perl code with Lua and
then ask for feedback from the other devs? That is the OpenBSD way, right? If
it really is a great idea, they’d all be really excited. In any case, it would
kill this thread.
EZ
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 31,
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:30 PM Marc Chantreux
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 06:57:02AM -0600, Daniel Boyd wrote:
> > As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be
> > their favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry
> > Wall at this point—I’d like
"Raymond, David" wrote:
> I get similar stuff on console 1 but not on the others on all my
> OpenBSD machines. As I use X windows and have clean consoles 2-4
> available if necessary, I just ignore it.
>
> Dave Raymond
>
>
> On 12/16/19, putridsou...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The error does not
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM Marc Espie wrote:
> We did retire vax, and we no longer have any platform without dynamic
> libraries.
>
>
OT but: out of sheer curiosity, why didn't VAX support dynamic libraries?
On 12-31 14:02, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:32 PM wrote:
> > I'm curious to know if there are any languages other than C and perl in
> > use in OpenBSD base.
> It's pretty easy to download the sources for base, and then:
> tar zxf src.tar.gz
> find . -type f -name '*.*' | sed
I like where this thread is headed.
To expand on this idea, maybe we should demonstrate how diversity and
inclusiveness can work in an operating system via language choices.
Why stop at TCL and LUA? Or even scripting languages in general. Why
not Go, Rust, Haskell and Scala too?
Hear me out.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:02:47PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> tar zxf src.tar.gz
> find . -type f -name '*.*' | sed 's/^.*\.//' | sort | uniq -c | sort
> -n | tail -40
That was fun, I learned about the -n option :) Thanks!
wise@hup:/usr/src$ find . -type f -name '*.*' | sed 's/^.*\.//' | sort |
This might be relevant:
hw.setperf=0
See also: https://man.openbsd.org/cpu.4
--
Raul
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:57 PM Leo wrote:
>
> hi
>
> my russian friend has a trouble running OpenBSD
> on his laptop, he reports that Turbo Boost is
> not working (OpenBSD limits him to 1100 MHz),
> he also
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:32 PM wrote:
> I'm curious to know if there are any languages other than C and perl in
> use in OpenBSD base.
It's pretty easy to download the sources for base, and then:
tar zxf src.tar.gz
find . -type f -name '*.*' | sed 's/^.*\.//' | sort | uniq -c | sort
-n | tail
hi
my russian friend has a trouble running OpenBSD
on his laptop, he reports that Turbo Boost is
not working (OpenBSD limits him to 1100 MHz),
he also reports that he owns /dev/drm0, but
everything is slow, he can't even play videos
in Firefox
I attach his dmesg, Xorg.0.log and sysctl hw:
Certainly, there are situations where perl isn't the best choice. And in
those unfortunate situations, other languages may be considered, however
begrudgingly. :)
I'm curious to know if there are any languages other than C and perl in
use in OpenBSD base.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 05:39:03PM
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Roderick wrote:
>> I am curious to know why tcl, my fovourite scripting lanuage, would
>> not be a candidate.
[...]
> Wow, it's a lot like you can't read.
It is more an academic question. I wanted to know more objective
critera than personal
Raul Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:46 AM Roderick wrote:
> > I am curious to know why tcl, my fovourite scripting lanuage, would
> > not be a candidate.
>
> If OpenLuaBSD would be a welcome fork, I don't see why OpenTCLBSD
> would be any worse.
>
> Doesn't mean anyone wants to
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:46 AM Roderick wrote:
> I am curious to know why tcl, my fovourite scripting lanuage, would
> not be a candidate.
If OpenLuaBSD would be a welcome fork, I don't see why OpenTCLBSD
would be any worse.
Doesn't mean anyone wants to write it.
--
Raul
Roderick wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Marc Espie wrote:
>
> > lua would definitely NOT be appropriate for that. The only half valid
> > candidate would be python.
>
> I am curious to know why tcl, my fovourite scripting lanuage, would
> not be a candidate.
>
> I suspect, tcl is being
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:45:34PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote:
> On 31/12/19 3:54 pm, Marc Espie wrote:
> > Contrary to what some people might think, the tools in question won't be
> > easier to understand and manage if written in another language.
>
> I'm of the opinion that "if it ain't
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Marc Espie wrote:
> lua would definitely NOT be appropriate for that. The only half valid
> candidate would be python.
I am curious to know why tcl, my fovourite scripting lanuage, would
not be a candidate.
I suspect, tcl is being underestimated, and the decission for one
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 06:57:02AM -0600, Daniel Boyd wrote:
> As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be their
> favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry Wall at this
> point—I’d like to say that perl should stay in base on its merits, all the
>
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> system user XOR virtual user
> That's what I have to setup now. Correct?
As said, I had UW imap serving system user mailboxes, and now
cyrus imap serving virtual users. You have to decide. With
dovecot I have no other experience than compiling it.
I
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 06:57:02AM -0600, Daniel Boyd wrote:
> As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be
> their favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry
> Wall at this point—I’d like to say that perl should stay in base on
> its merits, all the
yeah, it's down...
; <<>> DiG 9.4.2-P2 <<>> openiked.org
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58691
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;openiked.org. IN A
;;
Perl is my favorite language, too. Perl can be gnarly but I love it. I have
zero experience with Lua so I can’t judge it but I’d like Perl to stay in
Base.
On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Daniel Boyd wrote:
> As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be
> their favorite
Hello everyone.
I'm going to use vsftpd (on OpenBSD 6.6) on a production server. However,
I've failed creating virtual users for that. There're many tutorials online
(by using PAM) but it seems that OpenBSD doesn't support PAM.
Any idea, any suggestions would be much appreciated!
Thank you and
On 2019-12-31 14:10, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I believe the mail boxes are chrooted into too.
Actually that may be incorrect with the chroot being more broad than that as
they should be owned by root otherwise!
On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:25:30 -03 Jona Joachim wrote:
> On 2019-12-31, Roderick wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> >> I'm using an IMAP mailserver with dovecot which is entirely limited to my
> >> local network.
> >> It pulls my external mail with fetchmail. [...]
> >>
On 2019-12-31 13:13, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> I regret having mentioned fetchmail.
> It happens as part of setting up dovecot with virtual users.
Do you need virtual users. I saw all the guides recommending this and wrote
scripts to manage system users instead. Every box is owned by the login user
Hello,
did anyone noticed that the https://openiked.org/ is down?
NO "A" record is associated with the domain?
Thanks for any infos.
On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:36:38 -03 Roderick wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > > Is dovecot or fetchmail who create the mailboxes?!
> >
> > fetchmail doesn't configure anything, especially not mailboxes.
> > I regret having mentioned fetchmail.
> > It happens as part of
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > Is dovecot or fetchmail who create the mailboxes?!
> fetchmail doesn't configure anything, especially not mailboxes.
> I regret having mentioned fetchmail.
> It happens as part of setting up dovecot with virtual users.
If they are virtual users,
On 2019-12-31, Roderick wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
>
>> I'm using an IMAP mailserver with dovecot which is entirely limited to my
>> local network.
>> It pulls my external mail with fetchmail. [...]
>> user username1@foodomain.local.fantasea mailbox is owned by vmail
On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 09:47:03 -03 Roderick wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> > I'm using an IMAP mailserver with dovecot which is entirely limited to my
> > local network.
> > It pulls my external mail with fetchmail. [...]
> > user username1@foodomain.local.fantasea
> seem to even know that stable exists. My original thought was that there
were mal \
> intent. I think not now, unless it has been shaped by criticism. It is a
highly \
no i think your first thought was right. there's clearly malice he just
lacks
the maturity to be forthright and honest
As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be their
favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry Wall at this
point—I’d like to say that perl should stay in base on its merits, all the
perl-based system tools notwithstanding.
I decided learn perl
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
> I'm using an IMAP mailserver with dovecot which is entirely limited to my
> local network.
> It pulls my external mail with fetchmail. [...]
> user username1@foodomain.local.fantasea mailbox is owned by vmail [...]
> Obviously dovecot has other ideas
On 31/12/19 3:54 pm, Marc Espie wrote:
> Contrary to what some people might think, the tools in question won't be
> easier to understand and manage if written in another language.
I'm of the opinion that "if it ain't broken, don't fix it". What is
"broken" about Perl that we're trying to fix
Greetings,
I'm using an IMAP mailserver with dovecot which is entirely limited to my
local network.
It pulls my external mail with fetchmail.
There is no functional problem with the setup just this concern.
I can't manage to get around this:
/usr/libexec/security:
"# Mailboxes should be owned by
On 2019-12-31 05:19, g...@isdaq.com wrote:
> he completely misses the mark.
> rather than think "hmm 75% of commits are only 20 chars or less which seem
Having watched the video now, that particular part of the talk is poor. He
doesn't seem to even know that stable exists. My original thought
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