Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:09:08PM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:32:35 +0200, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Your licence puts you in the position that you always depend on the > > goodwill of the persons from whom you want to get code ba

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:02:30PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 05:38:46PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > | > Something is wrong if your licence text clearly states that you MUST > | > give back, but then you don't return the favour on grounds that &q

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:25:14AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > > > And if you choose the GPL the code you distribute will be under the GPL > > *only* forever [1], so what value would be in shipping terms that are > > void? > > Not true. You cannot chose the license that applies to other peop

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 05:15:05PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:38:45PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > | It's not about lazyness of BSD developers, many people who consider the > | BSD licence more free than the GPL argue that the advantage of the BSD >

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:22:28AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: >... > Saying something like: > "Linux Kernel != FSF/GNU" > > is quite similar to saying: > "Windows != Microsoft" > > In both cases, the pairs of terms may not be "equal" but they are > certainly related. Also in both cases,

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:20:19AM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > Hi! Hi Hannah! > On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 11:13:51PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:39:26PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 09:59:09PM +0200, Adrian Bun

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:33:52AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: > On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:15:31 -0400 >> Jason Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Sure it does. My code under BSD license continues to remain free, >>> regardless of w

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:30:11AM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-09-17 02:29]: > > you claim that it's unethical for the linux community to use the code, but > > brag about NetApp useing the code. what makes NetApp ok and Linux evil? > > NetApp does

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:39:26PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: > Hi! > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 09:59:09PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 11:48:47AM -0700, Can E. Acar wrote: > >>... > >> First, these developers got questionabl

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 11:48:47AM -0700, Can E. Acar wrote: >... > First, these developers got questionable advice from senior Linux kernel > developers, and SLFC (which is closely related to FSF) in the process. The most questionable legal advice in this thread was by Theo de Raadt who claimed

Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

2007-09-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 06:02:26PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: > >As a free software user and developer, the question I have is how come > >the Linux community feels that they can take the BSD code that was > >reverse-engineered at OpenBSD, and put a more restrictive licence onto > >it, such that there