Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-17 Thread Greg Thomas
On 10/16/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 02:39:59PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 19:34 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > I need to look something up in a catalog. The catalog doesn't come > > > in print. I phone the supplier,

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-16 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 02:39:59PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 19:34 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > I need to look something up in a catalog. The catalog doesn't come > > in print. I phone the supplier, they say look on the web. Its in > > flash. So, I need flash to

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-16 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 19:34 -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I need to look something up in a catalog. The catalog doesn't come > in print. I phone the supplier, they say look on the web. Its in > flash. So, I need flash to get work done. Maybe it's time to look for an alternate supplier that

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-16 Thread Jan Stary
On Oct 15 19:34:38, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 03:57:19PM +0200, Jan Stary wrote: > > On Oct 15 09:16:39, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > Well, at least I know that I'm not alone in needing to use flash to get > > > real work done (not for games or other time-wasters). Which m

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-15 Thread Matthew Szudzik
> > Never found a use for "3D acceleration" myself. Seems to be mostly > > for games and, well, games. > > > > There are other uses. Like the silly 3D accelerated window managers (as > a cwm user it's obvious I see no need for that). There's also other > uses. For example last year for my final

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-15 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 03:57:19PM +0200, Jan Stary wrote: > On Oct 15 09:16:39, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Well, at least I know that I'm not alone in needing to use flash to get > > real work done (not for games or other time-wasters). Which means that > > for any box from which I want to get r

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-15 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 05:31:51AM -0500, Robert C Wittig wrote: > Raimo Niskanen wrote: > >Perhaps the best, but not the only. Flash i all over the net. > >E.g to see the weather forecasts from the Swedish Meteorology > >and Hydrology Institute (SMHI), you need Flash 8. Just a few > >months ago yo

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-15 Thread Robert C Wittig
Raimo Niskanen wrote: Perhaps the best, but not the only. Flash i all over the net. E.g to see the weather forecasts from the Swedish Meteorology and Hydrology Institute (SMHI), you need Flash 8. Just a few months ago you needed Internet Explorer as well, but they are aware and improving... But

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-15 Thread Adrian Fisher
I know what you mean, I have to use Flash 9 :S A. On 15/10/2007, Raimo Niskanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 12:25:46PM -0700, Karsten McMinn wrote: > > On 10/11/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Personally, I absolutely LOVE the fact that OpenBSD doesn't

Re: : expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-15 Thread Raimo Niskanen
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 12:25:46PM -0700, Karsten McMinn wrote: > On 10/11/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Personally, I absolutely LOVE the fact that OpenBSD doesn't support > > flash natively. I think that's a great selling point for using it > > on a desktop. Oh, but you not on

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-12 Thread Karsten McMinn
On 10/11/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally, I absolutely LOVE the fact that OpenBSD doesn't support > flash natively. I think that's a great selling point for using it > on a desktop. Oh, but you not only like flash, but demand it. > That's ok, that's your measure of "deskt

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-12 Thread ropers
On 12/10/2007, Owain Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then again I'm currently attempting to port the DRM (direct rendering > manager) to OpenBSD, Do you accept paypal donations at your zerooa at googlemail dot com email address? I'm broke, not rich, so I can't pay you for your work hours,

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-12 Thread ropers
On 12/10/2007, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to start a discussion about extending the answer to the OpenBSD FAQ > # 1.10: "Can I use OpenBSD as a Desktop System?" I have also felt before that that FAQ item could be expanded, so I wrote an expanded answer and submitted a

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 09:36:33PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 11:57:18PM -0400, Kevin Stam wrote: > > However, it is also worth noting that some typical desktop needs and uses > > are incompatible with the focus of OpenBSD. There are currently no video > > cards that p

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-12 Thread Henning Brauer
* Owain Ainsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-12 07:12]: > Then again I'm currently attempting to port the DRM (direct rendering > manager) to OpenBSD, so I'm not whining about it. and that is the right attitude. sit down and send code to change what you didn't like. instead of sending questiona

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:36:27PM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > I've been evaluating OpenBSD as a desktop system while learning about it > > on my lesser (older) hardware. I've learned a lot and will continue to > > learn about OpenBSD but I don't think it will work as

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 11:57:18PM -0400, Kevin Stam wrote: > However, it is also worth noting that some typical desktop needs and uses > are incompatible with the focus of OpenBSD. There are currently no video > cards that provide the necessary specifications to create open drivers for > all hard

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Stam
However, it is also worth noting that some typical desktop needs and uses are incompatible with the focus of OpenBSD. There are currently no video cards that provide the necessary specifications to create open drivers for all hardware function, most notably 3D acceleration. While more than adequat

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Brett Lymn
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 10:56:38PM -0400, Kevin Stam wrote: > > Or perhaps you're being quite legitimate here. I just haven't heard of that > problem before, it's always been about 3d acceleration. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension It makes a big difference. -- Brett Lymn "Warn

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Stam
Intel integrated graphics card. Standard cheaper one found in laptops. Usually watch in mplayer, default settings. Occasionally, VLC, default settings. Of course, the intel cards don't have the same blob problems that the more expensive ones tend to. I don't know about your experiences comparing th

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Nick Holland
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > I've been evaluating OpenBSD as a desktop system while learning about it > on my lesser (older) hardware. I've learned a lot and will continue to > learn about OpenBSD but I don't think it will work as my primary > desktop. > > Based on what I've learned here on Misc, I

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Graeme Neilson
I use OpenBSD as a desktop everyday and I have an 'entertainment center' that delivers music, movies and arcade games which also runs OpenBSD. OpenBSD is very well suited to being a media center due to the lean default install and excellent package system. On 10/12/07, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL P

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 09:00:39PM -0400, Kevin Stam wrote: > Aside from some typos, I'll have to dispute the inclusion of movie watching > and movie editing. Very much, actually. I've never had noticeably poorer > movie watching/viewing performance on OpenBSD as opposed to other > distributions. (

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Deanna Phillips
Douglas A. Tutty writes: > I think the following paragraphs would enhance the FAQ to > provide the person new to the OpenBSD focus a heads up on some > of the difficulties. You are making some weird assumptions about what "the desktop" is. My desktop is nothing like the one you describe, and Ope

Re: expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Kevin Stam
Aside from some typos, I'll have to dispute the inclusion of movie watching and movie editing. Very much, actually. I've never had noticeably poorer movie watching/viewing performance on OpenBSD as opposed to other distributions. (Gentoo is my other, and neither work better then the other for movie

expansion of FAQ# 1.10 re OpenBSD as a desktop system

2007-10-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
I've been evaluating OpenBSD as a desktop system while learning about it on my lesser (older) hardware. I've learned a lot and will continue to learn about OpenBSD but I don't think it will work as my primary desktop. Based on what I've learned here on Misc, I'd like to start a discussion about