On Mon, 8 Jul 2019, Steve Litt wrote:
It's one thing to support an alternative: Quite another to call
for the death of the original.
Unfortunately it is not an alternative as I wrote before.
X11 is among other things a standard. If wayland imposes itself,
we will have soon programs for X an
On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 06:01:52PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
[...]
> I use Openbox with program instantiation via dmenu. Now here's the
> thing: dmenu is written in pure X: No qt, no gtk, no xforms. Dmenu
> does its job perfectly, so quickly that instantiation from hotkey is
> imperceptable, as is m
On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:26:18 +0200
Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:18:18PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
> [...]
> >
> > Frankly, there is not much point in non-developers discussing
> > whether additions to base are acceptable. Feel free to suggest
>
> Well, whatever developers
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:18:18PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote:
[...]
>
> Frankly, there is not much point in non-developers discussing
> whether additions to base are acceptable. Feel free to suggest
Well, whatever developers come up to, I hope I will be able to
continue using FVWM, on top or in
Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:31:21 -0700 John Brahy
> Thanks for the Wikipedia link. I never researched sentence spacing before.
Of course, and to reward the patience of reading to the end of the noise:
Template: X Window System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:XWinSys
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:3
Tue, 02 Jul 2019 12:09:01 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
> li...@wrant.com writes:
> > Worthless thread, worthless comments, annoying Matthew.. STOP spamming.
>
> Well you're not wrong so there's no need to keep the public involved.
It's best discussed in public or not discussed at all, so list include
Tue, 02 Jul 2019 11:19:17 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
>
> Matthew
Worthless thread, worthless comments, worthless Matthew. STOP spamming.
li...@wrant.com writes:
> Tue, 02 Jul 2019 08:40:35 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
> >
> > Also I don't need to fix your email system's inability to classify spam.
>
> YOUR mail server reputation is negative, fix your setup.. STOP spamming.
IWFM
Matthew
ps. Two dots *and* two spaces? Try harder.
Tue, 02 Jul 2019 08:40:35 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
>
> Also I don't need to fix your email system's inability to classify spam.
YOUR mail server reputation is negative, fix your setup.. STOP spamming.
> Matthew
>
li...@wrant.com writes:
> You're misreading something, or talking to yourself, making corrections.
> Your emails ended up in the spam twice so far, do something about that..
Two dots again? We've been over this.
> Your emails came in as spam twice so far, maybe do something about that?
Get it to
I just love reading the drama that's always on this list. I've been using
OpenBSD since 2.0 and the decisions of the team never failed me even when
gobbles did his thing.
If X11 wasn't secure enough for OpenBSD then Theo and his crew would write
OpenX. They've fixed NetBSD, SSH, and generally avai
I will reply you to clarify some things but I agree with Ingo and we
should let the thread die.
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:11:37PM +, Roderick wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
>
> > Can you show me what missing Wayland part is bigger than DRM+Mesa+LLVM?.
Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:52:56 -0700 Michael Forney
> On 2019-07-01, Roderick wrote:
> > Namely, the only free implementation of EGL is Mesa 3D. And EGL is
> > needed by Wayland.
>
> I'm not an OpenBSD user, just an interested bystander, but I want to
> point out that the second part of this stateme
On 2019-07-01, Roderick wrote:
> Namely, the only free implementation of EGL is Mesa 3D. And EGL is
> needed by Wayland.
I'm not an OpenBSD user, just an interested bystander, but I want to
point out that the second part of this statement is false. Wayland
also supports shared memory buffers. In
Mon, 01 Jul 2019 20:52:24 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
> li...@wrant.com writes:
> > Mon, 01 Jul 2019 07:09:41 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
> > >
> > > I don't think I'll be relying on software from such confused individuals
> > > any time soo
> > n.
> >
> > Since when? Make a note: your long lines will n
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
Can you show me what missing Wayland part is bigger than DRM+Mesa+LLVM?.
What do you want to say with the question?
As far as I understand, neither DRM nor Mesa are parts of (original)
X11. Further, you read in Wikipedia:
--
li...@wrant.com writes:
> Mon, 01 Jul 2019 07:09:41 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
> >
> > I don't think I'll be relying on software from such confused individuals
> > any time soo
> n.
>
> Since when? Make a note: your long lines will never fit on a punch card.
I haven't used a punch card since ... wel
Ingo Schwarze writes:
> the voice of reason.
Listen to it.
Matthew
Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:39:01PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:13:44 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 05:20:20PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > > > Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:46:33 +0200 Juan Francis
Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado writes:
> Can you show me what missing Wayland part is bigger than DRM+Mesa+LLVM?.
Probably, but that's not my problem.
> After the personal attack, I was hoping a more elaborated answer.
There was no personal attack. That you feel there was reveals little
more tha
Hi Leonid,
Leonid Bobrov wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:41:41PM +0300:
> No, you three (...) are wrong,
I doesn't matter who is wrong, please stop discussing that.
What matters is that code gets written, tested, improved,
and eventually committed that improves the situation.
> protecting a bl
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 07:25:21PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:56:18 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
>
> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:39:01PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > > Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:13:44 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 0
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 05:20:20PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:46:33 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
>
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:09:08PM +, Roderick wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nope, you misund
Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:56:18 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:39:01PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:13:44 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 05:20:20PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > > > Mon, 1 Jul 2019
On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:39:01PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:13:44 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
>
> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 05:20:20PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > > Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:46:33 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 3
Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:13:44 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 05:20:20PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote:
> > Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:46:33 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> >
> > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:09:08PM +, Roderick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 30 Ju
Mon, 01 Jul 2019 07:09:41 +0300 cho...@jtan.com
>
> I don't think I'll be relying on software from such confused individuals any
> time soon.
Since when? Make a note: your long lines will never fit on a punch card.
> Matthew
>
li...@wrant.com writes:
> You can't do without YOU understanding basics of X11, do something else..
> Juan, I don't trust your lack of any qualification for even feature bait.
Two dots? This thing should never have more than one dot.
How about:
> You can't do without YOUR understanding X11 basic
Mon, 1 Jul 2019 02:22:02 +0300 Leonid Bobrov
> I make a mistake by writting this mail, but:
>
> X Window System is just a shit windowing system while Wayland is a simple,
> fast and secure display server protocol.
> (Well, almost simple, this XML dependance is overkill.)
>
> You people protectin
Mon, 1 Jul 2019 00:46:33 +0200 Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:09:08PM +, Roderick wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
> >
> > > Nope, you misunderstood the text.
> >
> > No. It is *you* that do not understand what X11 is
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
Xorg is the most insecure software in base.
Why? Because it has bugs? Or because, in oppossite to wayland,
it can listen to outside connections if configured so (by default
it does not)?
If you only care about the remote apps, with
Roderick writes:
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
>
> > You can run (local or remote) X11 applications inside of a Wayland
> > compositor.
>
> The following contradicts your above assertion:
>
> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8
Wayland. The
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:09:08PM +, Roderick wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
>
> > Nope, you misunderstood the text.
>
> No. It is *you* that do not understand what X11 is and want it death.
> A very destructive attitude.
You're the only one with a de
I make a mistake by writting this mail, but:
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:09:08PM +, Roderick wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
>
> > Nope, you misunderstood the text.
>
> No. It is *you* that do not understand what X11 is and want it death.
> A very destru
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
Nope, you misunderstood the text.
No. It is *you* that do not understand what X11 is and want it death.
A very destructive attitude.
"This doesn't mean that remote rendering won't be possible with Wayland,
it just means that you wi
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 03:59:55PM +, Roderick wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, gwes wrote:
>
> > I regularly run programs on one machine connected to a display
> > on another machine. AFAIK, the current state of Wayland makes
> > that difficult. I confess to not following it closely.
>
>
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 06:55:42PM +, Roderick wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
>
> > You can run (local or remote) X11 applications inside of a Wayland
> > compositor.
>
> The following contradicts your above assertion:
>
> https://wayland.freedeskto
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
You can run (local or remote) X11 applications inside of a Wayland
compositor.
The following contradicts your above assertion:
https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8
Rod.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, gwes wrote:
I regularly run programs on one machine connected to a display
on another machine. AFAIK, the current state of Wayland makes
that difficult. I confess to not following it closely.
I also do it, and I also have no much idea of what is wayland.
But I have the
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 12:29:40PM -0700, Chris Cappuccio wrote:
> Leonid Bobrov [mazoc...@disroot.org] wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 01:56:43PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote:
> >
> > First, I'd like to blame Xenocara for this pain porting Wayland to
> > OpenBSD (because building Mesa from
Leonid Bobrov [mazoc...@disroot.org] wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 01:56:43PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote:
>
> First, I'd like to blame Xenocara for this pain porting Wayland to
> OpenBSD (because building Mesa from ports would be an opportunity),
> right now to build Mesa with Wayland supp
If you want an idea when X11 will die, watch Debian Linux. When they drop
it, you know the end is coming. Right now, they do not even default to
Wayland.
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 3:25 PM Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado <
i...@juanfra.info> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 05:06:49PM -0400, gwes wro
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 05:06:49PM -0400, gwes wrote:
>
>
> On 6/28/19 1:56 PM, Christopher Turkel wrote:
> > Probably someday. X won’t be going away anytime soon.
> >
> > On Friday, June 28, 2019, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> >
> > > Came across this:
> > >
> > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php
On 6/28/19 1:56 PM, Christopher Turkel wrote:
Probably someday. X won’t be going away anytime soon.
On Friday, June 28, 2019, Nathan Hartman wrote:
Came across this:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-
Maintenance-Mode-Quickly
Long story short, Red Hat hopes to swi
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 01:56:43PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote:
> Probably someday. X won’t be going away anytime soon.
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2019, Nathan Hartman wrote:
>
> > Came across this:
> >
> > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-
> > Maintenance-Mode-Quickly
Probably someday. X won’t be going away anytime soon.
On Friday, June 28, 2019, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> Came across this:
>
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-
> Maintenance-Mode-Quickly
>
> Long story short, Red Hat hopes to switch from X.Org to Wayland and
> expects X.
Came across this:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Maintenance-Mode-Quickly
Long story short, Red Hat hopes to switch from X.Org to Wayland and
expects X.Org to go into "hard maintenance mode" after that.
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