Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-09-02 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2014-08-27, Geoff Steckel wrote: > This paper: > http://download.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/enterprise_class_versus_desktop_class_hard_drives_.pdf > describes the different features and intended uses of > enterprise drives vs. desktop drives. The hardware requirements > for a (go

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-30 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 08/29/2014 06:15 PM, Chris Cappuccio wrote: > Evan Root [cellarr...@gmail.com] wrote: >> It seems that after reading the backblaze and google papers about drive >> reliability that there is no statistically obvious difference. It's too >> close to call. Both papers end with hedges and further qu

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-29 Thread Nick Holland
On 08/29/14 16:04, Evan Root wrote: > It seems that after reading the backblaze and google papers about drive > reliability that there is no statistically obvious difference. It's too > close to call. Both papers end with hedges and further questions. Even if > enterprise drives are more reliable

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-29 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Evan Root [cellarr...@gmail.com] wrote: > It seems that after reading the backblaze and google papers about drive > reliability that there is no statistically obvious difference. It's too > close to call. Both papers end with hedges and further questions. Even if > enterprise drives are more relia

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-29 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 08/29/2014 04:04 PM, Evan Root wrote: > It seems that after reading the backblaze and google papers about drive > reliability that there is no statistically obvious difference. It's too > close to call. Both papers end with hedges and further questions. Even if > enterprise drives are more reli

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-29 Thread Evan Root
It seems that after reading the backblaze and google papers about drive reliability that there is no statistically obvious difference. It's too close to call. Both papers end with hedges and further questions. Even if enterprise drives are more reliable it isn't by more than a single percent and i

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-28 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Christian Weisgerber [na...@mips.inka.de] wrote: > > Now, the real question is whether enterprise drives actually *are* > more reliable than consumer drives. > For regular hard disks, the answer is definitely, no.

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 07:03:47PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: | Now, the real question is whether enterprise drives actually *are* | more reliable than consumer drives. Hmm, I thought they wrote about consumer drives being more reliable than enterprise drives somewhere, but can't find it n

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 08/27/2014 01:03 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Paul de Weerd: > >> | Here's a bold suggestion: Don't buy consumer drives. >> >> The guys that buy LOTS disagree. >> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/ > Oh, I know. That's a different operations model, though. When y

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Henning Brauer
* Paul de Weerd [2014-08-27 17:32]: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 03:21:13PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > | On 2014-08-25, Dave Anderson wrote: > | > | > Yup, time for a new disk. I'm off to do some research on who makes the > | > most reliable ones these days. [Suggestions from anyone kno

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Paul de Weerd: > | Here's a bold suggestion: Don't buy consumer drives. > > The guys that buy LOTS disagree. > https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/ Oh, I know. That's a different operations model, though. When you have LOTS of drives, failures will inevitably become com

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 03:21:13PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: | On 2014-08-25, Dave Anderson wrote: | | > Yup, time for a new disk. I'm off to do some research on who makes the | > most reliable ones these days. [Suggestions from anyone knowledgable | > are welcome.] | | Here's a bold

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2014-08-25, Dave Anderson wrote: > Yup, time for a new disk. I'm off to do some research on who makes the > most reliable ones these days. [Suggestions from anyone knowledgable > are welcome.] Here's a bold suggestion: Don't buy consumer drives. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-27 Thread Nick Holland
On 08/25/14 18:33, Dave Anderson wrote: ... > Yup, time for a new disk. I'm off to do some research on who makes the > most reliable ones these days. [Suggestions from anyone knowledgable > are welcome.] The problem with researching reliability is you are looking in the rear view mirror -- what

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-26 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi, Dave Anderson wrote: Yup, time for a new disk. I'm off to do some research on who makes the most reliable ones these days. [Suggestions from anyone knowledgable are welcome.] the companies merge and merge :) For a magnetic disc, there's Hitachi global storage and Toshiba left for example.

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-25 Thread Dave Anderson
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014, Adam Thompson wrote: >On 14-08-25 03:49 PM, Dave Anderson wrote: >> My amd64 notebook (full dmesg below) has started reporting an error >> which I don't adequately understand. Any explanations or ideas as to >> how to figure out exactly what is broken would be greatly appreci

Re: Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-25 Thread Adam Thompson
On 14-08-25 03:49 PM, Dave Anderson wrote: My amd64 notebook (full dmesg below) has started reporting an error which I don't adequately understand. Any explanations or ideas as to how to figure out exactly what is broken would be greatly appreciated. Your hard disk is in the process of (hopefu

Help, please, understanding AHCI error on amd64

2014-08-25 Thread Dave Anderson
My amd64 notebook (full dmesg below) has started reporting an error which I don't adequately understand. Any explanations or ideas as to how to figure out exactly what is broken would be greatly appreciated. This started while untarring the ports tree from the source CD immediately after upgradin