Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Zeljko Jovanovic
On 09.09.2011. 00:32, ropers wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson#MIPS_patent_issues So does this mean that this platform is now to be regarded as patent-encumbered and no longer completely free (libre)? (That would kind of ruin the big appeal for me.) The platform is free in software

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread ropers
On 9 September 2011 10:51, Zeljko Jovanovic zelj...@tesla.rcub.bg.ac.rs wrote: They payed a fee to MIPS Technologies only as a sign of good will (and they didn't want press to write (lie) about some patent nonsense associated with their product). Officialy, the explanation is that that gives

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Daniel Villarreal
I'm looking at their website offerings and I like what I see. http://www.loongson.cn/EN/product.php?id=4sub=Solutions Loongson Technology Coporation Limited Tel : +86 10 62600855/ 56/ 57/ 58 ext: 300/305 Fax: +86 10 62600826 Mail to: market...@loongson.cn Add: Loongson Technology Co., Ltd. 10,

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Daniel Villarreal
Is any computing platform entirely free ? Is any computer processor perfect ? I'd like to know what processors the OpenBSD developers prefer to use. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:40 PM, ropers rop...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2011 10:51, Zeljko Jovanovic zelj...@tesla.rcub.bg.ac.rs wrote:

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 02:59:34PM -0400, Daniel Villarreal wrote: Is any computing platform entirely free ? Is any computer processor perfect ? I'd like to know what processors the OpenBSD developers prefer to use. Some like them wide, some like them fast, some like them old, some like them

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Daniel Villarreal yclwebmas...@gmail.com wrote: Is any computing platform entirely free ? Is any computer processor perfect ? I'd like to know what processors the OpenBSD developers prefer to use. VAX of course!

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread m brandenberg
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Bryan Irvine wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Daniel Villarreal yclwebmas...@gmail.com wrote: Is any computing platform entirely free ? Is any computer processor perfect ? I'd like to know what processors the OpenBSD developers prefer to use. VAX of course! Buy

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Daniel Villarreal
You're welcome. I highly recommend that everyone read this article from the Beijing GNU/Linux User's Group that provides more background about Lemote, one of the companies that is selling Loongson computers.

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-09 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
Hi Daniel, On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Daniel Villarreal yclwebmas...@gmail.com wrote: Is any computing platform entirely free ? Is any computer processor perfect ? Several years ago Sun released the Verilog source for the hardware designs of the UltraSPARC T1 and T2 CPUs under the

Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-08 Thread ropers
I have for some time quite covetously looked at hardware for this: http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html (and at the Lemote Yeeloong netbook in particular). But I could never really afford new kit, so I still haven't bought any loongson hardware. But I'm still thinking about it. The big draw for

Re: Loongson -- is it actually encumbered now?

2011-09-08 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 12:32:25AM +0200, ropers wrote: I have for some time quite covetously looked at hardware for this: http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html (and at the Lemote Yeeloong netbook in particular). But I could never really afford new kit, so I still haven't bought any loongson