Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-09 Thread Zoong PHAM
On Monday, 8 August 2005 at 18:03:25 +0100, Edd Barrett wrote: Suns newest ultra 20 x64 workstation retails at under #1000. Not as expensive as they once were. I never think Sun stuff expensive compared to other big vendors. In fact, Sun charge the least but we hardly buy them b/c of their

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-09 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 8/8/05, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suns newest ultra 20 x64 workstation retails at under #1000. Not as expensive as they once were. that is out of desperation; not because that's what they are worth. aaron.glenn

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Artur Grabowski
Anon Y. Mous [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun agreement)? URL: http://www.freebsd.org/java/ The FreeBSD Foundation has negotiated a license

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Edd Barrett
On 08 Aug 2005 10:51:14 +0200, Artur Grabowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anon Y. Mous [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun agreement)? URL:

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a license agreement of some sort in order to use Sun's code as a base for their native implementation. Sorry, not quite. The FreeBSD-native Java implementation did not require changing

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Alexander Farber
That is what you do for /ports/devel/jdk/ . So what is your problem? ;-) 2005/8/8, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think it would be a good idea. Even if you had to download an openbsd package from sun's site.

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Artur Grabowski
Let's read what I wrote and your response, shall we? Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Encourage and promote closed 'standards', insecure, crappy binaries and software monopolies.? I think it would be a good idea. Maybe you do. Fortunately most of us don't. //art

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Kurt Miller
From: Michael W. Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a license agreement of some sort in order to use Sun's code as a base for their native implementation. Sorry, not quite. The FreeBSD-native Java

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Kurt Miller
From: Anon Y. Mous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun agreement)? As stated several times in this thread, the type of license that FreeBSD has with Sun goes

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 10:05:38AM -0400, Kurt Miller wrote: From: Michael W. Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a license agreement of some sort in order to use Sun's code as a base for their native

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Kurt Miller
From: Michael W. Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 10:05:38AM -0400, Kurt Miller wrote: From: Michael W. Lucas [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a license agreement of some sort in order to

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 10:23 -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: I can't see spending my time working on Sun's code, but that's your choice, and if it works for you more power to you. You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people (OpenBSD users or otherwise) who say if I wanted to

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Brandon Mercer
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 10:23 -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: I can't see spending my time working on Sun's code, but that's your choice, and if it works for you more power to you. You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people (OpenBSD users or

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-08 17:18]: You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people (OpenBSD users or otherwise) who say if I wanted to deal with Sun every day, I'd run Solaris instead and frankly, I don't blame them. Every attempt to use Java here has

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:02:47 -0400, Kurt Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kurt, Really, no disparagement was meant of your efforts. My apologies for any offense. I can't see spending my time working on Sun's code, but that's your choice, and if it works for you more power to you. Thanks

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Edd Barrett
You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people (OpenBSD users or otherwise) who say if I wanted to deal with Sun every day, I'd run Solaris instead and frankly, I don't blame them. Every attempt to use Java here has caused more problems than it has solved; it's simply a

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:38:30 -0400, Jan Izary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please release the source code of your software under a BSD license so it is compatible with the goals of our project: J. C., you know full well that's not really needed for OpenBSD to have their own copy of Java in ports.

Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread Anon Y. Mous
Hi: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun agreement)? URL: http://www.freebsd.org/java/ The FreeBSD Foundation has negotiated a license with Sun Microsystems to distribute FreeBSD

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:04:51 -0700 (PDT), Anon Y. Mous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Bill, Larry and Scott,