OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-17 Thread Jason Beaudoin
Hi There, As I often have greater respect for a much larger portion of this list than the rest of the internet, I am curious what is thought about current IDS/IPS hardware from vendors like Trustwave, Checkpoint, Alert Logic, mod_security, even snort.. etc, and in particular, the sensibility and e

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-03-04 Thread bofh
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:59 PM, bofh wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Laurens Vets wrote: > >> >> >>> Just don't get ISS crap. >>> >>> Also, snort is good, but you must know what you're doing. Our snort box, >>> running on an old throw away box, and only capturing/analyzing 10 minut

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-17 Thread Johan Beisser
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Jason Beaudoin wrote: > From a compliance perspective, I don't have much choice. From the > costs, infrastructure, and administrative perspectives, I am currently > evaluating whether or not I should be leaning towards and IDS or IPS > solution, and of course which

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-17 Thread mehma sarja
Don't bypass Snort because PFSense package makes it so easy to install and configure. A a one-click install of Snort and the only thing left to do was register and select what you want it to do. Mehma === On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM, J

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Tilley
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:59 -0500, "Jason Beaudoin" wrote: > Hi There, > > As I often have greater respect for a much larger portion of this list > than the rest of the internet, I am curious what is thought about > current IDS/IPS hardware from vendors like Trustwave, Checkpoint, > Alert Logic, mo

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:47 PM, mehma sarja wrote: > Don't bypass Snort because PFSense package makes it so easy to install and > configure. A a one-click install of Snort and the only thing left to do was > register and select what you want it to do. > > Mehma Hi Mehma, I'm hoping you can ex

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Jason Beaudoin > wrote: >> From a compliance perspective, I don't have much choice. From the >> costs, infrastructure, and administrative perspectives, I am currently >> evaluating whether or not I should b

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread mehma sarja
Jason, I was trying to communicate my very small and limited experience with Snort on a PFSense appliance (FreeBSD + pf). The install and configuration is easy. I cannot speak to on-going maintenance on a big network. Mehma === On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Jason Beaudoin wrote: > On Wed, F

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote: > http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/index.html > > especially number 2 is targeted against IDS/IPS, antivirus and similar > solutions. I found this link thanks to my colleague and it's really > very descriptive. G

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Vijay Sankar
Jason Beaudoin wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Jason Beaudoin wrote: From a compliance perspective, I don't have much choice. From the costs, infrastructure, and administrative perspectives, I am currently evaluating whether or no

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Vijay Sankar wrote: > bro-ids Great suggestion! thank you :)

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread bofh
Allow me to speak from another perspective. It all depends on $$, and the network you have and how much leverage the security team has. Usually, the security team does not have as much leverage and needs to play catch up. Understand this - no matter which solution you choose, IDS/IPS/opensource/

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Laurens Vets
Just don't get ISS crap. Also, snort is good, but you must know what you're doing. Our snort box, running on an old throw away box, and only capturing/analyzing 10 minutes of every hour, is giving us *MORE* useful data than half a mil worth of ISS crap. Care to elaborate? :) Thanks!

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread bofh
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Laurens Vets wrote: > > > > Just don't get ISS crap. >> >> Also, snort is good, but you must know what you're doing. Our snort box, >> running on an old throw away box, and only capturing/analyzing 10 minutes >> of >> every hour, is giving us *MORE* useful dat

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-18 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:59 PM, bofh wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Laurens Vets wrote: > >> >> >> >> Just don't get ISS crap. >>> >>> Also, snort is good, but you must know what you're doing. Our snort box, >>> running on an old throw away box, and only capturing/analyzing 10 min

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-19 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:59:05PM -0500, Jason Beaudoin wrote: > As I often have greater respect for a much larger portion of this list > than the rest of the internet, I am curious what is thought about > current IDS/IPS hardware from vendors like Trustwave, Checkpoint, > Alert Logic, mod_securit

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-20 Thread Laurens Vets
On 2/18/2010 8:59 PM, bofh wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Laurens Vets wrote: Just don't get ISS crap. Also, snort is good, but you must know what you're doing. Our snort box, running on an old throw away box, and only capturing/analyzing 10 minutes of every hour, is giving us

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-21 Thread Jason Beaudoin
Hi Rich! On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:59:05PM -0500, Jason Beaudoin wrote: >> As I often have greater respect for a much larger portion of this list >> than the rest of the internet, I am curious what is thought about >> current IDS/IPS hardw

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-22 Thread Jason Beaudoin
Having looked into BroIDS and a couple of potential options/setups, I'd be interested in hearing anyone's experience working with either or both BroIDS / Snort.. - i like that BroIDS is network-based as opposed to signature, though it doesn't seem like Bro has frontend as polished as one might li

Re: OT: opinions on IDS / IPS solutions

2010-02-22 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Johan Beisser wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Jason Beaudoin wrote: > >> - in terms of BroIDS/Snort and PF.. who comes first in processing >> network traffic? > > hardware interface > kernel device driver > bpf/pcap -->> application (tcpdump, snort, Br