Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-08 Thread raven
Theo de Raadt ha scritto: You're right Theo, but isn't better an answer like: RTFC ? Just 4 char. There is no point in telling people who can't read the code, to go read the code. It won't change a thing. They really will keep coming back to misc showing their false expectations. I t

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-08 Thread Christoph Leser
> I think the mailing lists would be better if it wasn't always full of > people asking stupid questions, and then being answered by people with > ridiculous or uneducated answers. > Not that I want to be here providing the correct answers. Why bother? > They won't be understood, and it isn't wor

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-08 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:09:08PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > You're right Theo, but isn't better an answer like: RTFC ? Just 4 char. > > There is no point in telling people who can't read the code, to go > read the code. It won't change a thing. They really will keep coming > back to misc

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> You're right Theo, but isn't better an answer like: RTFC ? Just 4 char. There is no point in telling people who can't read the code, to go read the code. It won't change a thing. They really will keep coming back to misc showing their false expectations. > If he understand or not isnt our bus

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread raven
Theo de Raadt ha scritto: I would assume you're referring to uvm_loadav in uvm_meter.c? That's where I'm looking. I was hoping for a little English to help me with my understanding, but maybe I'm just not clever enough. Likely this is not the real problem. [snip] I think that is

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > I would assume you're referring to uvm_loadav in uvm_meter.c? That's where > > I'm looking. I was hoping for a little English to help me with my > > understanding, but maybe I'm just not clever enough. > > Likely this is not the real problem. > > If you don't know the algorithms used to cal

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread William Boshuck
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:05:19PM -0500, Damian Gerow wrote: > > I would assume you're referring to uvm_loadav in uvm_meter.c? That's where > I'm looking. I was hoping for a little English to help me with my > understanding, but maybe I'm just not clever enough. Likely this is not the real pro

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread new_guy
deraadt wrote: > > And if you really are worried, use the patch I mailed out earlier, > and the load will always be zero. Then there are no more worries! > That's both cruel and funny at the same time. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Oddly-

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread J Sisson
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok. So considering the speed with which this patch appeared I'm going > to assume there's more here than meets the eye. Just the same it looked > like a sampling (when/where) issue to me. > Take note of the

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I won't pretend to understand how OpenBSD calculates its load averages, but > keep in mind that not every OS calculates them the same. > > For instance, my OpenBSD box: > $ uptime > 11:46AM up 3 days, 18:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08 > I have a .08 load average and there are no se

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:30:21 -0700 Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:16:38 -0500 > > Damian Gerow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > : > The load average on my machine is inexplicably high; when idle, it > > > sits up > > > : > betwee

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread disintx
I won't pretend to understand how OpenBSD calculates its load averages, but keep in mind that not every OS calculates them the same. For instance, my OpenBSD box: $ uptime 11:46AM up 3 days, 18:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.08, 0.08, 0.08 I have a .08 load average and there are no services other t

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:16:38 -0500 > Damian Gerow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > : > The load average on my machine is inexplicably high; when idle, it sits > > up > > : > between 0.6 and 0.7. > > : > > : Oh my god, the horror. Nothing is wrong with your machine at al

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:16:38 -0500 Damian Gerow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote: > : > The load average on my machine is inexplicably high; when idle, it sits up > : > between 0.6 and 0.7. > : > : Oh my god, the horror. Nothing is wrong with your machine at all. > : However, I hav

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Damian Gerow
Theo de Raadt wrote: : Looks like you don't know the algorithms used to calculate the number. : But it is clearly beyond your skills to go read the source. I would assume you're referring to uvm_loadav in uvm_meter.c? That's where I'm looking. I was hoping for a little English to help me with my

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Damian Gerow
Theo de Raadt wrote: : > The load average on my machine is inexplicably high; when idle, it sits up : > between 0.6 and 0.7. : : Oh my god, the horror. Nothing is wrong with your machine at all. : However, I have a diff which will probably keep you happy. Not sure if you caught my last paragraph,

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Not only would that not fix it, it doesn't make any sense, either. If my > machine has no workload, increasing the available power to process said > nonexistant workload isn't going to change anything. > > And let's not forget that I'm curious to find out why the load average is up > there when

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Damian Gerow
Mark Zimmerman wrote: : I bet you could get your load average to drop if you forced your cpu : to run full speed even when doing nothing. I am guessing that this is : not really what you want. Not only would that not fix it, it doesn't make any sense, either. If my machine has no workload, increa

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Mark Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 11:51:51AM -0500, Damian Gerow wrote: > The load average on my machine is inexplicably high; when idle, it sits up > between 0.6 and 0.7. Though I'm running a snapshot from last night, I've > seen the same behaviour since I first installed a 4.4 snapshot from about > three

Re: Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
> The load average on my machine is inexplicably high; when idle, it sits up > between 0.6 and 0.7. Oh my god, the horror. Nothing is wrong with your machine at all. However, I have a diff which will probably keep you happy. Index: uvm_meter.c =

Oddly high load average

2008-11-07 Thread Damian Gerow
ing? Note that this doesn't really seem to be causing me any grief: apmd is properly dropping my cpuspeed, hw.sensors are all showing cool-running temperatures, and I'm still getting at least seven hours of battery life, even with a wireless connection. I just have this oddly high load avera