On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:03:28 -0700
Noah Pugsley wrote:
> Tony Abernethy wrote:
> > Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> >> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> >>> Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs instead of
> >>> java in those fancy universities?
> >> Seconded.
> >>
> > Do you seriously expect p
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 06:41:49AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 22:38:02 -0700
> "J.C. Roberts" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:28:31 -0500 Ed Ahlsen-Girard
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > From: Noah Pugsley
> > > > Date: 2010-05-06 17:03:28
> > > >
> > > > Tony
"J.C. Roberts" writes:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:28:31 -0500 Ed Ahlsen-Girard
> wrote:
...
>> > > Do you seriously expect programmers to learn to program?
>> > >
>> > Finite Sex Machine?
>>
>> James Brown would never tolerate a *Finite* sex machine.
>>
>
>
> "Bit Up. Bit On Up"
Oh sure, give a
On Thu, 6 May 2010 22:38:02 -0700
"J.C. Roberts" wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:28:31 -0500 Ed Ahlsen-Girard
> wrote:
>
> > > From: Noah Pugsley
> > > Date: 2010-05-06 17:03:28
> > >
> > > Tony Abernethy wrote:
> > > > Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> > > >> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > > >>
On Thu, 6 May 2010 20:28:31 -0500 Ed Ahlsen-Girard
wrote:
> > From: Noah Pugsley
> > Date: 2010-05-06 17:03:28
> >
> > Tony Abernethy wrote:
> > > Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> > >> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > >>> Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs
> > >>> instead of
> From: Noah Pugsley
> Date: 2010-05-06 17:03:28
>
> Tony Abernethy wrote:
> > Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> >> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> >>> Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs instead
> >>> of java in those fancy universities?
> >> Seconded.
> >>
> > Do you seriously
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Stas Miasnikou wrote:
Marco Peereboom wrote:
Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs instead of
java in those fancy universities?
Seconded.
Do you seriously expect programmers to learn to program?
Finite Sex Machine?
On Thu, 6 May 2010 02:55:16 -0400
Tony Abernethy wrote:
> Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> > Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > > Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs instead
> > > of java in those fancy universities?
> >
> > Seconded.
> >
> Do you seriously expect programmers to learn to pro
Raimo Niskanen P?P8QP5Q:
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 01:37:17PM +0300, Stas Miasnikou wrote:
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Lars Nooden wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
pr
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 01:37:17PM +0300, Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> Tony Abernethy wrote:
> >Lars Nooden wrote:
> >>On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
> >>>There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
> >>>never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
> >>>probably fa
My first computer I built myself from scratch - it used the shiny new
6802 cpu.
I wrote the OS in machine code - none of this namby-pamby assembly
nonsense.
And it was portable, ran off a 12 gell cell - for about 20 mins.
paulm
On 6/05/2010, at 10:49 PM, Chris Bennett wrote:
On 05/05/10 22
On 05/05/10 22:08, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
A long way from my first sinclair Z80 with thermal printer and all. Talk
about expensive toys! (;>
My first computer was a Timex-Sinclair, yep with thermal printer, that
massive memory upgrade module on the back and its cool tape recorder
storage syst
Stas Miasnikou wrote:
> Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs instead of
> > java in those fancy universities?
>
> Seconded.
>
Do you seriously expect programmers to learn to program?
Marco Peereboom wrote:
Wouldn't it be adorable if people learned to program FSMs instead of
java in those fancy universities?
Seconded.
Stas
On 5/5/10 10:58 PM, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote:
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:29 +1200, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
Quoting Juan Miscaro:
cut
"Someone" told me my Atari ST was "garbage" and their Amiga was better.
Of course Amiga was better!!! :-P
Yea men! Amen to that! (:::>>>
"Someone" told me my Atari ST was "garbage" and their Amiga was better.
Hey, I will stay out of the rest, but the Atari wasn't bad, however the
Amiga was really great and many years ahead of it's time. (;> I had to
sale my 2000 and 1000 with all my books, my Astec compiler (Really
expensive p
On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 14:29 +1200, richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote:
> Quoting Juan Miscaro :
cut
> "Someone" told me my Atari ST was "garbage" and their Amiga was better.
Of course Amiga was better!!! :-P
> > --
cut
> > /jm
--
Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez
Quoting Juan Miscaro :
> On 5 May 2010 14:09, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> > On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote:
> >> Jan Stary wrote:
> >>> On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
> >>>> What is the current state of multiproce
On 5 May 2010 14:09, Marco Peereboom wrote:
> On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote:
>> Jan Stary wrote:
>>> On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
>>>> What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
>>>&
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0200, Benny L?fgren wrote:
> Jan Stary wrote:
>> On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
>>> What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
>>> OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
* Kevin Chadwick [2010-05-05 18:00]:
> I notice OpenBSD states one processor for applications and one for
> boot. Does that increase security via priviledge/memory separation or
> is it just because only one is used during boot?
the term "application processor" is misleading. once booted the
proc
I heard that after being stuck at around 3ghz at a reasonable temp for
ages. Intel decided to go multicore and just after the time the
decision was made, a breakthrough in single core was made and ignored
as development was redirected. I imagine they would have hit another
barrier though, otherwise
On 5 May 2010 01:07, Geoff wrote:
> Juan Miscaro wrote on Tue, 4 May 2010 22:15:09 -0400
>
>>What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
>>OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
>>someone told me that pf is &qu
Tony Abernethy wrote:
> Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
>> pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes:
>>
>>> I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who
>> told
>>> you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded:
>> eh, "because it is *not* multithreaded:"
>>
> Now watch when a
Jan Stary wrote:
On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded?
What truth is the
Tony Abernethy wrote:
Lars Nooden wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
probably fatally broken.
Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding an
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Tony Abernethy wrote:
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2006/EECS-2006-1.pdf
first choice googling: threads berkeley
Thanks. You have better luck with Google than I did. berkeley threading
won't find it. Repeating once more for the archive:
http://www.eecs.ber
Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
> pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes:
>
> > I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who
> told
> > you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded:
>
> eh, "because it is *not* multithreaded:"
>
Now watch when application programmers use mu
pe...@bsdly.net (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes:
> I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person who told
> you PF is garbage because it is multithreaded:
eh, "because it is *not* multithreaded:"
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
http://bsd
Lars Nooden wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
> > There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
> > never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
> > probably fatally broken.
>
> Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding and
> ret
Juan Miscaro writes:
> someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded?
> What truth is there to this? Under what kind of load would an OpenBSD
> firewall's performance suffer due to it being non-multithreaded?
I would think that would be a fair question to ask the person w
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Geoff wrote:
There's a paper from Berkeley showing how a threaded program can
never be fully debugged and should be presumed to be broken,
probably fatally broken.
Geoff, can you post the URL or any details that might help finding and
retrieving that particular article or o
On May 04 22:15:09, Juan Miscaro wrote:
> What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
> OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
> someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded?
> What truth is ther
Juan Miscaro wrote on Tue, 4 May 2010 22:15:09 -0400
>What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
>OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
>someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded?
>What
What a bunch of crap...
misc is better than usual this week.
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 10:15:09PM -0400, Juan Miscaro wrote:
> What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
> OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
> someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded?
>
What is the current state of multiprocessing and multithreading in
OpenBSD? Also, what applications are multithreaded? In particular,
someone told me that pf is "garbage" because it is not multithreaded?
What truth is there to this? Under what kind of load would an OpenBSD
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