Since the 23 March snapshot I've no longer been able to get the sets via
ftp during upgrade, is this intentional or is this an error on my end?
This worked on the snapshot form 19 March and earlier using the
amd64-snapshot bsd.rd indirectly from ftp3.usa.openbsd.org (Local ftp
mirror with rsync da
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 06:58 PM, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> Since the 23 March snapshot I've no longer been able to get the sets via
> ftp during upgrade, is this intentional or is this an error on my end?
> This worked on the snapshot form 19 March and earlier using the
> amd64-snapshot bsd.rd
>Since the 23 March snapshot I've no longer been able to get the sets via
>ftp during upgrade, is this intentional or is this an error on my end?
>This worked on the snapshot form 19 March and earlier using the
>amd64-snapshot bsd.rd indirectly from ftp3.usa.openbsd.org (Local ftp
>mirror with rsy
Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
Original Message
Subject: Re: upgrades no longer allow ftp for
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 08:10 PM, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
> source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
What is preventing you f
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 08:10 PM, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> > Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> > able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
> > source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
>
> What is prev
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:10 AM, wrote:
> Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
> source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
>
For more than 7 years, I have been using
> > Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> > able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
> > source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
> >
>
> For more than 7 years, I have been using installation file sets as well
be planning for that to go away too at some point.
Original Message
Subject: Re: upgrades no longer allow ftp for sets
From: "Shawn K. Quinn"
Date: Tue, March 25, 2014 6:38 pm
To: misc@openbsd.org
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 08:10 PM, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
>
-
> Subject: Re: upgrades no longer allow ftp for sets
> From: "Shawn K. Quinn"
> Date: Tue, March 25, 2014 6:38 pm
> To: misc@openbsd.org
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 08:10 PM, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> > Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The curre
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 18:10, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
> source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
nfs is supported, though fin
On 2014 Mar 25 (Tue) at 20:38:08 -0500 (-0500), Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
:On Tue, Mar 25, 2014, at 08:10 PM, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
:> Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
:> able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
:> source. Will nfs b
One other reason is that our ftp *client* is a pile of crud.
Almost anyone who approaches it runs away screaming (or becomes berserk,
grabs an axe, and starts cutting madly at the rest of the tree)
On 2014-03-26, wrote:
> I am upgrading hundreds of boxes a day with only have serial access to
> them. Installing from an external source would bring any server I use
> to its knees (I end up using 4-5 Gbps of bandwidth during upgrades.
Sounds like an excellent reason to setup a new infrastruct
ages will still be able to grabbed over ftp, although I
> suspect I should be planning for that to go away too at some point.
>
>
> Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: upgrades no longer allow ftp for sets
> From: "Shawn K. Quinn"
> Date: Tue, March 25,
On 03/25/14 21:09, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> able to do http and use of siteXX files prevents using an external
> source. Will nfs be supported or am I going to need more hardware?
I'm not understanding something here, an
On 2014-03-25 Tue 18:34 PM |, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>
> The 5.5 release will support FTP releases, but after that we are
> disabling FTP and thus pushing people to use HTTP installs.
>
> In this day and age, it is somewhat irresponsible for us to put
> people into a situation where they might inst
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41, Marc Espie wrote:
> One other reason is that our ftp *client* is a pile of crud.
>
> Almost anyone who approaches it runs away screaming (or becomes berserk,
> grabs an axe, and starts cutting madly at the rest of the tree)
I have seen no evidence of this ever happ
On 26 March 2014 13:46, Ted Unangst wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:41, Marc Espie wrote:
>> One other reason is that our ftp *client* is a pile of crud.
>>
>> Almost anyone who approaches it runs away screaming (or becomes berserk,
>> grabs an axe, and starts cutting madly at the rest of the
On 2014-03-26, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
> If your siteXX has
> sensible information you can use ssl with authentication.
The installer doesn't include openssl.
> On 2014-03-26, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
> > If your siteXX has
> > sensible information you can use ssl with authentication.
>
> The installer doesn't include openssl.
Funny, Stuart.
My processs is to always look at the size of a statically linked
binary to make a guess as to whether it cou
Em 26-03-2014 16:48, Stuart Henderson escreveu:
> On 2014-03-26, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
>> If your siteXX has
>> sensible information you can use ssl with authentication.
> The installer doesn't include openssl.
>
I forgot this. I'm so used to ssl webservers, that I forget that the
bsd.rd kern
Em 26-03-2014 16:59, Theo de Raadt escreveu:
>> On 2014-03-26, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
>>> If your siteXX has
>>> sensible information you can use ssl with authentication.
>> The installer doesn't include openssl.
> Funny, Stuart.
>
> My processs is to always look at the size of a statically li
> Em 26-03-2014 16:59, Theo de Raadt escreveu:
> >> On 2014-03-26, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
> >>> If your siteXX has
> >>> sensible information you can use ssl with authentication.
> >> The installer doesn't include openssl.
> > Funny, Stuart.
> >
> > My processs is to always look at the size of
Em 26-03-2014 17:18, Theo de Raadt escreveu:
>>
>> Theo,
>>
>> I agree with you that the installer must be as small as possible,
>> and still offer a good mix of ways to install the software. With
>> signify, the security of the underlying security of the protocol being
>> used in the installat
ssage
Subject: Re: upgrades no longer allow ftp for sets
From: Ted Unangst
Date: Tue, March 25, 2014 9:11 pm
To: n...@leviacomm.net
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 18:10, n...@leviacomm.net wrote:
> Thanks and I understand the reasoning. The current ftp server won't be
> able to
t hardware for the web server. Good luck.
Cheers,
>
> Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: upgrades no longer allow ftp for sets
> From: Ted Unangst
> Date: Tue, March 25, 2014 9:11 pm
> To: n...@leviacomm.net
> Cc: misc@openbsd.org
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014
> TdR> ... placing openssl there is not part of any solution that would work.
> TdR> What are other possible solutions?
>
> Do you think sftp would fit? Can you replace ftp with sftp?
> I'd prefer to maintain a limited access sftp server rather than a http
> one.
>
Wow. No.
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:10:05AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > TdR> ... placing openssl there is not part of any solution that would
> > > work.
> > > TdR> What are other possible solutions?
> > >
> > > Do you think sftp would fit? Can you replace ftp with sftp?
> > > I'd prefer to ma
Hello Theo,
Wednesday, March 26, 2014, 3:18:59 PM, you wrote:
TdR> ... placing openssl there is not part of any solution that would work.
TdR> What are other possible solutions?
Do you think sftp would fit? Can you replace ftp with sftp?
I'd prefer to maintain a limited access sftp server ra
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:10:05AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > TdR> ... placing openssl there is not part of any solution that would work.
> > TdR> What are other possible solutions?
> >
> > Do you think sftp would fit? Can you replace ftp with sftp?
> > I'd prefer to maintain a limited ac
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 09:14 AM, Jiri B wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:10:05AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > TdR> ... placing openssl there is not part of any solution that would
> > > work.
> > > TdR> What are other possible solutions?
> > >
> > > Do you think sftp would fit? Can yo
> So I sent a long mail yesterday explaining this, and that's the best you
> two can do? How do you even retain jobs??
Dramatic arts class on elementary school :D
j.
Em 27-03-2014 11:28, Shawn K. Quinn escreveu:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014, at 09:14 AM, Jiri B wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:10:05AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
TdR> ... placing openssl there is not part of any solution that would work.
TdR> What are other possible solutions?
Hello misc,
Thursday, March 27, 2014, 9:14:00 AM, Jiri wrote:
JB> Could you please elaborate why not sftp for sets (and/or
JB> for pkg_add)?
I'll rephrase: can someone besides Theo elaborate? It was an obvious
mistake to reply to his email (to be fair, I've addressed it to misc, not
to him).
On 27 March 2014 11:30, Boris Goldberg wrote:
> Hello misc,
>
> Thursday, March 27, 2014, 9:14:00 AM, Jiri wrote:
>
> JB> Could you please elaborate why not sftp for sets (and/or
> JB> for pkg_add)?
>
> I'll rephrase: can someone besides Theo elaborate? It was an obvious
> mistake to reply to hi
> JB> Could you please elaborate why not sftp for sets (and/or
> JB> for pkg_add)?
>
> I'll rephrase: can someone besides Theo elaborate? It was an obvious
> mistake to reply to his email (to be fair, I've addressed it to misc, not
> to him).
> In his "long email" Theo was talking about openss
Em 27-03-2014 12:43, Theo de Raadt escreveu:
>> JB> Could you please elaborate why not sftp for sets (and/or
>> JB> for pkg_add)?
>>
>> I'll rephrase: can someone besides Theo elaborate? It was an obvious
>> mistake to reply to his email (to be fair, I've addressed it to misc, not
>> to him).
>>
Geez, all you complainers and/or suggesters get over it.
The OpenBSD project makes decisions, sometimes you like
them, some times you don't. Get used to it.
If you feel that strongly about it quit using OpenBSD
or code something really good and efficient then present
it.
FWIW, Anyone who is
previously on this list Kenneth Westerback contributed:
> 1) It's not useful.
> 2) It's too complicated.
> 3) It's impossible to fit on the install media.
4) With the advent of signify and one of it's goals being efficiency it
would be a solution that needlessly wastes resources of many types.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Diana Eichert wrote:
> FWIW, Anyone who is responsible for border firewalls deplores FTP protocol.
And its cousin, FTPS, which, although encrypted, has the same dual
port problem yet not curable via a proxy.
Chris
On 2014-03-26 Wed 16:06 PM |, Craig R. Skinner wrote:
> On 2014-03-25 Tue 18:34 PM |, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> >
> > The 5.5 release will support FTP releases, but after that we are
> > disabling FTP and thus pushing people to use HTTP installs.
> >
> > In this day and age, it is somewhat irrespons
geez! there are better technologies out here. SUre, if a technology works for
20 years, then go with it. However, there are loads faster ways (and a lot more
secure too). Why not use bit torrent? Its fast, reliable and really only needs
a half dozen seeds at various places across the net . THe p
On 2014-03-29 Sat 02:10 AM |, Eric Oyen wrote:
>
> .
>
> > On 2014-03-26 Wed 16:06 PM |, Craig R. Skinner wrote:
> >
> > Eventually, will base ftpd be removed?
> >
*BASE*
Couldn't agree more! :)
Andy
Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Mar 2014, at 09:10, Eric Oyen wrote:
>
> geez! there are better technologies out here. SUre, if a technology works for
> 20 years, then go with it. However, there are loads faster ways (and a lot
> more secure too). Why not use bit torr
> Eventually, will base ftpd be removed?
Unlikely.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014, at 09:44 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Eventually, will base ftpd be removed?
>
> Unlikely.
Why not? You got rid of base telnetd a while back.
--
Shawn K. Quinn
skqu...@rushpost.com
> > > Eventually, will base ftpd be removed?
> >
> > Unlikely.
>
> Why not? You got rid of base telnetd a while back.
Because telnet is a protocol that people chose to use, and actively
could decide to move to the ssh server protocol.
Whereas ftp is a protocol that is often used in scripts. So
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 08:47, Craig R. Skinner wrote:
>
> Eventually, will base ftpd be removed?
The program (some might say pogrom) to delete old shit doesn't really
need any more suggestions at this time. The situation is well in hand
(some might say out of hand).
On 2014-03-29 Sat 19:26 PM |, Ted Unangst wrote:
> >
> > Eventually, will base ftpd be removed?
>
> The program (some might say pogrom) to delete old shit doesn't really
> need any more suggestions at this time.
I'm happily using it & was wondering if I should plan to stop doing so.
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