Re: proxy front-ends (was: Re: ApacheCon report)

2000-11-03 Thread Joe Schaefer
Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although I don't have much to add to the conversation, I just wanted to say that this is one of the most absolutely technically enlightening posts I've read on the mod_perl list in a while. It's really interesting to finally clarify this once

Re: proxy front-ends (was: Re: ApacheCon report)

2000-11-02 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Although I don't have much to add to the conversation, I just wanted to say that this is one of the most absolutely technically enlightening posts I've read on the mod_perl list in a while. It's really interesting to finally clarify this once and for all. Smells like a mod_perl guide

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-11-01 Thread Michael Blakeley
From: "Perrin Harkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Ask Bjoern Hansen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Re: ApacheCon report Mr. Llima must do something I don't, because with real world requests I se

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-11-01 Thread Leslie Mikesell
According to Michael Blakeley: I'm not following. Everyone agrees that we don't want to have big mod_perl processes waiting on slow clients. The question is whether tuning your socket buffer can provide the same benefits as a proxy server and the conclusion so far is that it

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-11-01 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: I still like the idea of having mod_rewrite in a lightweight front end, and if the request turns out to be static at that point there isn't much point in dealing with proxying. Or if the request is in the proxy cache... Has anyone tried putting

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 12:00 AM 10/31/2000 -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote: On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Les Mikesell wrote: Ultimately, I don't see any way around the fact that proxying from one server to another ties up two processes for that time rather than one, so if your bottleneck is the number of processes you

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: As a bonus, if you write your app smart with cache directive headers, some of the dynamic content can truly be cached by the front-end server. We're using this technique now and it really rocks. Great performance. - Perrin

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Bill Moseley
At 04:13 PM 10/31/00 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote: As a bonus, if you write your app smart with cache directive headers, some of the dynamic content can truly be cached by the front-end server. Gunther, Can you give some details? I have co-branded template driven content that is

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:43 AM 10/31/2000 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: At 04:13 PM 10/31/00 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote: As a bonus, if you write your app smart with cache directive headers, some of the dynamic content can truly be cached by the front-end server. Gunther, Can you give some details? I have

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: [...] - Don't use a proxy server for doling out bytes to slow clients; just set the buffer on your sockets high enough to allow the server to dump the page and move on. This has been discussed here before, notably in this post: [EMAIL

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: [...] - Don't use a proxy server for doling out bytes to slow clients; just set the buffer on your sockets high enough to allow the server to dump the page and move on. This has been discussed

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: [...] [EMAIL PROTECTED]">http://forum.swarthmore.edu/epigone/modperl/grerdbrerdwul/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mr. Llima must do something I don't, because with real world requests I see a 15-20 to 1 ratio of mod_proxy/mod_perl processes at "my"

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Les Mikesell
- Original Message - From: "Perrin Harkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Ask Bjoern Hansen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Re: ApacheCon report Mr. Llima must do something I don't, because with real world re

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: Matt Sergeant wrote: On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: In no particular order, and splitting hairs some of the time... Sounded like mod_backhand was best used NOT in the same Apache as a phat application server (eg. mod_perl),

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Les Mikesell
- Original Message - From: "Perrin Harkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's what I recall Theo saying (relative to mod_perl): - Don't use a proxy server for doling out bytes to slow clients; just set the buffer on your sockets high enough to allow the server to dump the page and move on.

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Les Mikesell wrote: Ultimately, I don't see any way around the fact that proxying from one server to another ties up two processes for that time rather than one, so if your bottleneck is the number of processes you can run before running out of RAM, this is not a good

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Greg Cope
Matt Sergeant wrote: http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt Enjoy. Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns keynote made me chukle ;-) I eventually could not make the conferance due to a nasty deadline Did Doug mention when mod_perl 2.0 would /

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Greg Cope wrote: Matt Sergeant wrote: http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt Enjoy. Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns I eventually could not make the conferance due to a nasty deadline You missed a lot. Did Doug

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Greg Cope wrote: Matt Sergeant wrote: http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt Enjoy. Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns keynote made me chukle ;-) I eventually could not make the conferance due to a nasty deadline

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Greg Cope
Matt Sergeant wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Greg Cope wrote: Matt Sergeant wrote: http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt Enjoy. Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns keynote made me chukle ;-) I eventually could not make the

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: In no particular order, and splitting hairs some of the time... Sounded like mod_backhand was best used NOT in the same Apache as a phat application server (eg. mod_perl), because you don't want memory-heavy processes sitting waiting for responses.

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread David Waldo
: ApacheCon report Yes, but the backend mod_perl servers are running backhand. So you have: B B B B \ | | / \ \/ / \|/ F Where all the servers are running mod_backhand, but only F is publically accessible. There may also be 1 F. Its in his slides, and is prettier than

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Young
-Original Message- From: David Waldo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ApacheCon report Do you happen to have the URL for Theo's presentation? I don't see it on the apachecon site. http://www.backhand.org

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Young
-Original Message- From: Matt Sergeant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:37 PM To: Tim Sweetman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ApacheCon report On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: In no particular order, and splitting hairs some

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Geoffrey Young wrote: I was really impressed with backhand at Theo's presentation at ApacheCon US in March. From what I rememeber though, it had serious limitations in the SSL space. Did Theo touch on that? The converstation I had with him about it back then was that