Foo JH wrote:
In the academia the general directive in choosing a language would be
something to this effect:
1. teach modern language concepts, such as OO
2. minimise the learning curve by way of something easy to teach, easy
to learn without having to figure out all the details of
From: David Ihnen dav...@norchemlab.com
They know it because everybody tell them so. Most web sites are done
in PHP, most job offer for web programmers ask for PHP experience...
Then they don't know, they just repeat what others say. So I guess all
we can do is repeat what we know from
From: Foo JH jhfoo...@extracktor.com
Business people love the idea of their intellectual property (IP) being
protected by way of code encryption. Try telling them their money-making
code is 'in the open, but everyone's doing it too'. Not exactly a warm
fuzzy feeling.
This topic has been
On 25 Mar 2009, at 18:23, David Ihnen wrote:
They've also told me that they know that perl is harder to learn
than PHP.
What can I tell them? That it is not true?
Yes, but you may or may not be right. We all agree that coming into
perl is confusing - too much old data about how to do
On 26 Mar 2009, at 11:35, Simon Forster wrote:
And what is the proper way? I've futzed about in a number or
languages - including perl - but only at a very basic level with
perl. I've got some web stuff to do and thought that having a go
with perl may be a pleasant diversion. At the
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Simon Forster simon-li...@ldml.comwrote:
On 25 Mar 2009, at 18:23, David Ihnen wrote:
They've also told me that they know that perl is harder to learn than PHP.
What can I tell them? That it is not true?
Yes, but you may or may not be right. We all agree
hey
On 3/25/2009 11:24 PM, Foo JH wrote:
You probably have a feel why Perl isn't a strong choice given these
objectives.
hmm ... i'm not sure about your second point. it's a somewhat arbitrary
example, but look at a 'hello world' in several languages. perl is
definitely on the easy side to
On 26 Mar 2009, at 11:50, Mark Blackman wrote:
The older answer is something along the lines of Perl Best
Practice the O'Reilly
book by D. Conway and ideas behind it. See also http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/07/14/bestpractices.html
.
The newer answer is an emerging buzzword called Modern
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Simon Forster simon-li...@ldml.com wrote:
On 26 Mar 2009, at 11:50, Mark Blackman wrote:
The older answer is something along the lines of Perl Best Practice the
O'Reilly
book by D. Conway and ideas behind it. See also
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:55:45 -0400, john saylor jsay...@liaison-intl.com
wrote:
of course, once you get to TMTOWTDI, it's like teaching creative writing
And thus, the beauty of it. :)
--
ispy++
From: Rolf Banting
Foo JH wrote:
In the academia the general directive in choosing a language would be
something to this effect:
1. teach modern language concepts, such as OO
2. minimise the learning curve by way of something easy to teach, easy
to learn without having to figure
Foo JH wrote:
David Ihnen wrote:
I think you've got it right there. We've got to get perl taught in
schools. That means perl experts need to be in teaching. And I have a
suspicion that perl doesn't appeal to the pure computer scientist very
well - these are the people who invented hard
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Octavian Râsnita orasn...@gmail.comwrote:
*From:* Rolf Banting rolf.b...@gmail.com
Foo JH wrote:
In the academia the general directive in choosing a language would be
something to this effect:
1. teach modern language concepts, such as OO
2. minimise
Rolf Banting wrote:
Fair enough Simon. I would recommend you look at the Cookbook too - it
has recipes for everything from iterating through a hash to web
automation.
http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/perl/cookbook/
Do people think that the cookbook is good perl practice? Its been
mentioned a
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:39 PM, David Ihnen dav...@norchemlab.com wrote:
Do people think that the cookbook is good perl practice?
Yes, it's an excellent resource and you'll have to pry it from my cold
dead hands. It wouldn't be where I would turn to find out the current
best ORM module, but it
I've run into a strange Apache/mod_perl issue recently. I have a mod_perl
application that has been running just fine for over 6 years. Recently
however I noticed that about 1 out of every 5 Apache restarts (we restart
nightly for various reasons) results in 500 responses. One (sometimes more)
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:53:30 -0400, Perrin Harkins phark...@gmail.com
wrote:
Object Oriented Perl has more age issues than the Cookbook, IMO.
It's still an entertaining read, but my advice for newbies would be to
read the OO docs that come with Perl for understanding and then
consider using
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote:
On 26 Mar 2009, at 13:21, Rolf Banting wrote:
Fair enough Simon. I would recommend you look at the Cookbook too - it has
recipes for everything from iterating through a hash to web automation.
http:/SNIP/perl/cookbook/
From: Walter Pienciak wpien...@thunderdome.ieee.org
I usually lurk on this list, but I could not disagree more with
this assertion that perl is somehow harder to learn.
This might be because you are thinking to the american or western european
market.
But think about those many programmers
From: Rolf Banting
Functions are first class citizens in Perl - so you get functional
programming built in. You don't in Java.
Even the newer perl modules on cpan started to use OOP, and I guess this is
because OOP is better, even though under perl it usually makes the programs run
From: Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org
- It is the most easy to learn language even by the most stupid
programmers.
I'd rather it were optimised for competent programmers. Sorry, I just
don't see the value here. Stupid programmers are part of the problem.
I don't understand. What is the
There's a couple of mod_perl related releases now that need people to
test them out. It takes less time to download, untar, and run the
test suite for these two releases than it does to write a response to
the 'decline of mod_perl' thread that has been going around :) Plus,
it will help make you
Octavian Râsnita wrote:
*From:* Rolf Banting mailto:rolf.b...@gmail.com
Functions are first class citizens in Perl - so you get
functional programming built in. You don't in Java.
Even the newer perl modules on cpan started to use OOP, and I guess
this is because OOP is better, even
Could we PLEASE move this lovely conversation to the
advoc...@perl.apache.org mailing list? We have an
entire mailing list dedicated to baloney of this sort;
please use it so the rest of us trying to provide this
little community with meaningful software and support
don't have to wade through it.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Chris Prather perig...@gmail.com wrote:
This is to say if you're making the decision for Mouse, you need to
know what all that entails and currently the propaganda machine is
saying that Mouse == Moose + FAST which simply isn't true.
My reason for mentioning
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM, B. Prince binis...@gmail.com wrote:
Recently I noticed that every so often the Apache parent process tries to
handle the request after a server restart.
Really? I've only seen that when explicitly using the -X option. You
might want to see if anyone on the
Rolf Banting wrote:
1. Perl supports more programming paradigms than Java.
Agreed. The problem is with perception. People identify Perl as a
procedural language, and strongly typed languages (ie C#, Java) as
modern languages enforcing modern concepts. We all know that's isn't
entirely true of
Octavian Râsnita wrote:
1. I don't know what it means that perl supports more paradigms than
Java, but I know that the Java / C# OOP style is usually considered
a much complete and better standard than one used by Perl.
Java / DotNet support interfaces, so the classes they
David Ihnen wrote:
I suppose we need more programmers than those programmers who are just
interested in coding? I never met a good programmer who wasn't
intrinsically interested in it.
They like to program, then they realise that being a programmer means
been strangled by middle management.
Author: gozer
Date: Thu Mar 26 20:49:51 2009
New Revision: 758847
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=758847view=rev
Log:
whitespace fix to test buildbot
Modified:
perl/modperl/trunk/INSTALL
Modified: perl/modperl/trunk/INSTALL
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