Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Andy Lester
I'd like to have a discussion about rethinking the "How do I do what I want to do?" problem that people have been discussing, and that I talked about here: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/04/rethinking-the-interface-to-cpan.html I've started a separate group, away from here, to discuss. http://grou

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Saturday 05 April 2008, Andy Lester wrote: > On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Thanks for the comments. See below for my response. It will be a > > rather > > stream-of-consciousness thing, but I hope something can come up of it. > > I've expanded my original comments here: > ht

Re: license in META.yml

2008-04-05 Thread Alexandr Ciornii
David Landgren wrote: Gabor Szabo wrote: As I am usually using Module::Build I did not know that a recent version of MakeMaker has started to support the LICENSE parameter and will include it in the automatically created META.yml. That has been the case for a couple of years or so. I think it

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni
Jonathan Rockway wrote: * On Sat, Apr 05 2008, Eric Wilhelm wrote: It appears that our current strategy is this: * rely on a proprietary web application for search (search.cpan.org) I like kobesearch better. I hear the code for that is available, which is the main reason I like it bet

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 18:02 -0500, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > I've wanted easily-available CPAN-related APIs also, so I wrote this > (with the help of brian d foy++): > > http://git.jrock.us/?p=MetaCPAN.git;a=summary > > This indexes the BACKPAN and CPAN and lets you ask questions like > "what >

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Jonathan Rockway
* On Sat, Apr 05 2008, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > It appears that our current strategy is this: > > * rely on a proprietary web application for search (search.cpan.org) I like kobesearch better. I hear the code for that is available, which is the main reason I like it better :) I haven't actually lo

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 21:34 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Anyway, I'll probably set up a wiki page about it, so we can > brain-storm more easily. I will contribute when it's available then. -- --gh

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 13:42 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Thanks for the comments. See below for my response. It will be a > > rather > > stream-of-consciousness thing, but I hope something can come up of > it. > > > I've expanded my original com

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Andy Lester
On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Thanks for the comments. See below for my response. It will be a rather stream-of-consciousness thing, but I hope something can come up of it. I've expanded my original comments here: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/04/rethinking-the-interface-to-cpan

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Andy! (and all) Thanks for the comments. See below for my response. It will be a rather stream-of-consciousness thing, but I hope something can come up of it. On Saturday 05 April 2008, Andy Lester wrote: > Every so often, an idea's like Shlomi's comes up, where we talk about > adding reviews

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Andy Lester
On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Eric Wilhelm wrote: If you have a tactic for deploying a strategy, I would like to hear it. Like-minded strategists get together and deploy a single solution. -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from Andy Lester # on Saturday 05 April 2008 09:57: >The focus needs to change from the   >tactical ("Let's have reviews") to the strategic ("How do we get the   >proper modules/solutions in the hands of the users that want them.") What good is strategy in a distributed anarchy? It seems to me

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 12:21 -0500, Jonathan Rockway wrote: > > So what do you think - is there an interest in this? > > I think you should just do it. Then we can see if there is interest or > not. I will be doing the part I volunteered for ... sooner or later even if it's just for my own use.

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 09:41 -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from Guy Hulbert > # on Saturday 05 April 2008 07:35: > > >My solution (new modules): > > 2. A small change to the PAUSE upload interface adding some optional > > fields which add appropriate meta-data to CPAN. > > Why add these to an int

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Jonathan Rockway
* On Sat, Apr 05 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > In regards to the previous discussion about trimming down CPAN and finding > better ways to find quality modules, I got an idea of making CPAN "category" > reviews. The idea was originally derived from Freshmeat.net where they often > have

Changing the focus of the chronic CPAN problem

2008-04-05 Thread Andy Lester
Every so often, an idea's like Shlomi's comes up, where we talk about adding reviews to CPAN, or reorganizing the categories, or any number of relatively easy-to-implement tasks. It's a good idea, but it's focused too tightly. What we're really trying to do is not provide reviews, but hel

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from Guy Hulbert # on Saturday 05 April 2008 07:35: >My solution (new modules): > 2. A small change to the PAUSE upload interface adding some optional > fields which add appropriate meta-data to CPAN. Why add these to an interface instead of META.yml? I use an automatic upload tool. I'm not g

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Andy Lester
On Apr 5, 2008, at 6:02 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all! In regards to the previous discussion about trimming down CPAN and finding better ways to find quality modules, I got an idea of making CPAN "category" reviews. The idea was originally derived from Freshmeat.net where they often have

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 16:54 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Saturday 05 April 2008, Guy Hulbert wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 15:16 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > one > > > paragraph summary then: > > > > > > > > > I suggest having a feed of human readable (and possibly machine > >

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Saturday 05 April 2008, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 15:16 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > one > > paragraph summary then: > > > > > > I suggest having a feed of human readable (and possibly machine > > readable) > > reviews of the modules in various CPAN categories, as

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 15:16 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Why do you feel my previous email was not concise or definite? I admit coulda woulda shoulda ... > it was > a sort-of brainstorming email, but it was not too long. If you want a this reply is even longer ;-) > one > paragraph summary t

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi! Thanks for your email. On Saturday 05 April 2008, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 14:02 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > In regards to the previous discussion about trimming down CPAN and > > finding > > I don't think trimming is necessary if you are successful with th

Re: Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2008-05-04 at 14:02 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > In regards to the previous discussion about trimming down CPAN and finding I don't think trimming is necessary if you are successful with this. IMO the problem is just finding things, which your proposal addresses. > better way

Idea: CPAN Category Reviews

2008-04-05 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all! In regards to the previous discussion about trimming down CPAN and finding better ways to find quality modules, I got an idea of making CPAN "category" reviews. The idea was originally derived from Freshmeat.net where they often have category reviews of the various software hosted there