Re: Help needed testing security of login module

2009-05-21 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:04:02AM -0400, Jonathan Yu wrote: [snip] > Interesting idea though, using Google to reverse hashes... in that > case you wouldn't even need to know the algorithm used to hash it! Erm... not really. There are many hash algorithms that give outputs with the same length; t

Re: Help needed testing security of login module

2009-05-21 Thread Aaron Crane
Jonathan Yu writes: > It's my understanding that the margin by which storing a hashed > password without a salt is better is related to its length. It's > harder to calculate/store SHA-512 hashes versus SHA-1, right? I mean, > takes a lot more time & space to construct rainbow tables, and thus > co

Re: Help needed testing security of login module

2009-05-21 Thread Jonathan Yu
It's my understanding that the margin by which storing a hashed password without a salt is better is related to its length. It's harder to calculate/store SHA-512 hashes versus SHA-1, right? I mean, takes a lot more time & space to construct rainbow tables, and thus could be infeasible to generate.

Re: Help needed testing security of login module

2009-05-21 Thread Aaron Crane
Bill Ward writes: > I didn't think that a salt was necessary with a one-way hash. Google makes even the best hash functions reversible for some inputs: http://www.google.com/search?q=5d41402abc4b2a76b9719d911017c592 http://www.google.com/search?q=aaf4c61ddcc5e8a2dabede0f3b482cd9aea9434d http://ww