Re: spamming cpan? was [Fwd: Perl-Freelancer needed]

David Golden wrote: > Corion contacted them (see http://use.perl.org/~Corion/journal/31223 > ): > > I got some spam by a German company (Online Microsystems) seeking > a freelancer today. I gave them a call and educated them about > jobs.per

Re: Give up your modules!

Ken Williams wrote: > That said, there ought to be a way for the community to move forward > without having the original author be the bottleneck. With open-source > licenses, there's explicitly a way for someone else in the community to > pick up the reins and release a "derivative" of the origin

Re: Test-time dependencies.

Johan Vromans wrote: > Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> My intention when I added 'build_requires' to Module::Build was not >> to let people avoid downloading & building those dependencies, but >> rather to indicate that there was no runtime dependency, ... > > For this to function p

Re: CPAN6

Leon Brocard wrote: > Of course not - but in the usual Perl way, if you don't like it, you > can build your own cpan6! > And release it to, errr, CPAN. > > But as with most Perl 6 projects, I have to ask: Why do we have to > wait for Perl 6 before we get a better CPAN? > We don't, we're buildin

Re: A Semi-Public Version Control Repository for Your CPAN Modules

Shlomi Fish wrote: >> Another option is to just upload the distribution with your changes >> using your own PAUSE ID to cpan. It will not get indexed, but succeeds >> in that users who don't know about or trust some external repository can >> still access your changes via the CPAN network. >>

Re: A Semi-Public Version Control Repository for Your CPAN Modules

Shlomi Fish wrote: > Now, Adam Kennedy recently made an interesting step of making commit access > to > a Subversion repository with the source code for most of his modules to > anyone with a valid PAUSE login: > > http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/29327 > > My suggestion is for you to do somet

Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether

A. Pagaltzis wrote: >* Adam Kennedy [2006-05-23 11:10:13] > > >>Data-Pageset (1.03) — 1 star: >> >>This is reciprocal karma for the author one-starring a >>competing module and advertising his own. Bad form. (not a >>commentary on how this works) >> >> > >This sort of thing is lunacy. What’

Re: New module: FLV file parsing

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:06 -0800, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from A. Pagaltzis > # on Wednesday 30 November 2005 07:49 am: > > >> Or File::FLV? Or File::FLV::Parser? > > > >I don’t think File:: is right for this. > > Right, because it's not a filehandle or otherwise IO/filesystem related. > > Sho

Re: Module abstract: Is its length still limited?

On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 21:08 -0500, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * "Andreas J. Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-11-07T17:29:50] > > I will be very happy if you guys decide something and let me know. > > I'll adjust the code for the forms on PAUSE then. > > Here's my official vote: > > (length $module_

Re: Module abstract: Is its length still limited?

On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 07:51 +0100, Andreas J. Koenig wrote: > > So, the question I would now ask: How rigidly should I enforce the > > 44-character limit if I am guiding someone in the task of creating > > proper Perl modules? > As the module list is dead, we cannot really argue in favor o

Re: Name advice: check license of dependencies

On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:20 -0500, Mark Stosberg wrote: > > I don't like any of the names I've come up with so far. It seems > > clear that it should be in the Module:: namespace, but beyond that > > I'm unsure. Possibilities: > >Module::GuessLicense > >Module::License > >Module::

Re: Tests needing user parameters

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 21:51 +0100, Jess Robinson wrote: > Hey folks, > > I'm writing a module which will need user account data for it's tests, and > I'm wondering if theres a standard way (or module) for doing this.. > > Else I'll guess I'll look for environment variables and otherwise not >

Re: Module abstract: Is its length still limited?

On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 21:02 -0400, James E Keenan wrote: > IIRC, there was once a 44-character limit to the length of a CPAN module > abstract: the brief description which follows the module's name in the > NAME section of POD. > > But when I uploaded a module a couple of hours ago, I noted tha

Re: Regexp code feature

Chris Dolan wrote: What's the minimum version of Perl needed to reliably exploit the (?{ code }) feature in regexps? I'm working on a module that I call Net::IP::Match::Regexp which builds and runs regexps that contain simple code blocks. It works great under 5.8.1 on my Mac, but I haven't

Re: Getopt::Long wishes (was: RFC: Getopt::Modern)

Orton, Yves wrote: Imo it would better to expose a different subroutine name for this. sub GetOptions { GetOptionsArray([EMAIL PROTECTED],@_); } Is that ruled out for some reason? If you consider the signature a part of the "subroutine name", then simply making it take an arrayref as the firs

Re: Getopt::Long wishes (was: RFC: Getopt::Modern)

Johan Vromans wrote: You mean, you are going to pass things like STDOUT, STDERR, ENV and so on, to every function that may use them? [1] Global things are intended to be global, I'd say. This is why code using CGI.pm is so hard to wrap, too. Assumptions that globals will always be globals. Th

Re: RFC: Getopt::Modern

Johan Vromans wrote: I have several tools that take different syntax on the command line, specific for the task. For example, subcommands: mycmd init db=$HOME/mydb mycmd load db=$HOME/mydb data1 mycmd load --trace db=$HOME/mydb data1 mycmd --trace load db=$HOME/mydb data1 Yes; I'

Re: IO::ALL (Was: check for errors on close())

Smylers wrote: I've only just begun to reap the benefits of it. After how long of using it? Does that mean that initially you found it more hassle? No, not at all. I've just only found myself using it twice so far. However, when I did I found it deliciously DWIMmy and extremely handy. eg, in http

Re: IO::ALL (Was: check for errors on close())

Smylers wrote: Sam (or any other IO::All users reading this), what's your experience of IO::All? How much effort has it saved you? Does it make your code look I've only just begun to reap the benefits of it. Now, it seems that the built-in ways of doing these things are just too awkward. Just th

Re: check for errors on close()

Eric Wilhelm wrote: Just spent way too much time trying to find a bug when it turns out that I just had a full disk. So, food for thought for today: close() does not always return true. close(FILE) or die "file error: $!"; In the disk-full case, open() succeeds (if there are still inodes ava

Re: Parse::Lex abandoned?

Eric Wilhelm wrote: Would anti-pollution laws help or hurt CPAN? Well, we might go and do that. We could go and seize control of what we think is the worst problem, and make laws that restrict it. We could make targets about how much pollution we weren't going to make, and when. Then we could fin

Re: Win32::TieRegistry or Perl problem (?)]

Ken Williams wrote: On Mar 2, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Linda W wrote: I'm not sure what perl does with invalid character data in a variable when you try to manipulate it by appending it to another value. There's no such thing as invalid character data in Perl strings. Perl strings can contain arbitrary

Re: Net::Ftp use proxy et al...

packager, and focuses on a different set of goals. And whatever you do, don't call it a registry, you'll hit a sore spot on lots of people ;) -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: Net::Ftp use proxy?

? Note that you need to set "ftp_firewall" if you have a true FTP firewall, or more likely if you're setting something like ftp_proxy=http://proxy:3128/, then you actually need to talk *HTTP* to the proxy. Net::FTP can't do that itself, but LWP should DTRT once it's insta

Re: Tree::Meta

ther than objects for the extra information is an interesting idea. How about Tie::DAG? or Tie::DAG::Meta/Tree::DAGMeta ... -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: What to name the baby? (module naming advice)

Rocco Caputo wrote: I think it would be misleading to imply that this code only works with IRC. Even so, what you are doing is inherantly an IRC-ish thing to want to do. Wouldn't you still refer to non-IRC but IRC-like chatrooms as IRC? It's a concept beyond the protocol IMHO. -- Sam V

Re: Class::Validating - naming suggestions

-- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: Module naming advice

#x27;Bar', 'Foo::Bar'; With the upside that "aliasing" also clearly states what the module does. -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

cross-posted FAQ question [was: Win98 - DBD-Oracle install issue]

lists on e-mails you send. -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: DBIx::DBH - Perl extension for simplifying database connectio ns

ce (possibly including a schema version), then a module with a config file maps that to a set of connection parameters. ie, if we're going to go ahead and try to make some sense of how you specify the parameters to the DBI connect call, why don't we go the whole way and think about where t

Re: Suite of modules to be released - the name game

s are incorporated into other modules, or had new modules made from the ones that really are new and different, the originals can be deprecated and "laid to rest". -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: Which namespace for a build system?

Algorithm" ? :-) http://search.cpan.org/dist/Algorithm-Dependency/ -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: namespace for users and groups

your module implements. _*The Art of Objects: Object-Oriented Design and Architecture_, by *Yun-Tung Lau <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Yun-Tung%20Lau/102-5857950-6496945> (isbn://0201711613/) uses ACL design as one of its worked examples. H

Re: script local namespacing?

Eric Wilhelm wrote: Just use ProgramName:: The assumption here is that you won't be distributing the modules on CPAN and that your program/project is going to have a unique name. It's been suggested before on this list, and I agree with it. What about the potential conflicts caused by takeovers

The CPAN Guide [was Re: Future of the "Module List"]

;-)), and construct a skeleton of Guide:: distributions based on the old modules list. But first, back to reinventing some more wheels ;-). -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: Future of the "Module List"

;re referring to hasn't been regenerated since 2002/08/27! I wish the CPAN folks would just remove it if it won't be generated regularly. Does anyone else here think that the list should probably just be done away with entirely? The _file_ should go, yes. The concept of registering modul

Re: not-so-plain documentation

the help message. You are looking for Pod::Constants. Or even Scriptalicious... http://search.cpan.org/dist/Scriptalicious/ -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: Module meta data

e=1", etc (`make test' was SO much quicker to type ;-)). It introduces another dependancy, but IMHO it's well worth it for dropping the dependancy on a local Makefile guru. -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: Application framework namespaces

t was said before, but I'll repeat it - seperating out the logical components of the framework into seperate distributions (and perhaps releasing a Bundle:: to get the lot) would be well worthwhile. -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP

Re: PerlHack - Adding new flag into a SV

ar::Util. > > Do you have an example script that segfaults? Maybe you were thinking I meant a problem with your code. I meant a problem with the entire approach. IMO weak refs are not the greatest solution to the problems that they are usually used for. Often there are much better approach

Re: New module: Scriptalicious

Thanks all for your feedback. I have added a "SEE ALSO" section that includes the feedback from this list and released version 1.01. It now also accepts a program version to be passed in the normal way (ie, in $main::VERSION). -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP

New module: Scriptalicious

will successfully complete. Again, output it sup- pressed. capture("command", "1gra", "2gra") runs a command, capturing its output, barfs if there is a problem. Returns the output of the command as a list. capture_err("command", "foo") Works as capture, but the first returned item is the error code of the command ($?) rather than the first line of its output. Usage: my ($rc, @output) = capture_err("somecommand", @args); AUTHOR Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering)

Re: defining 'constants' at run time

You can negotiate with the terrorist. :) -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) Only presidents, editors and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial "we" MARK TWAIN

Re: defining 'constants' at run time

ion's approach as flawed is incredibly closed minded. Pretending that you know best for their situation is at worst arrogant and at best naive. Remember - harmony, melody, chords[1]. We are each perfecting a symphony in our own direction. (see also http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2000/10/23/soto2000.h

Re: Reshaping the modules list: a starting point, help remove the bias.

e place they are more likely to be kept current. It might make CPAN look a bit "tidier" as well :-). -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) Sarcasm is not the lowest form of wit. Sarc

Re: Reshaping the modules list: a starting point, help remove the bias.

Ah, there's also no math or statistics sections there. Please, someone in the field beat me to it :) -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) Beauty is only skin deep, but Ugly goes straight to the bone.

Reshaping the modules list: a starting point, help remove the bias.

latforms - Embedded / hand-held platforms Interface Modules to Commercial Software: - ? Misfits and Oddballs: -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) A child of five could understand this? Fetch me a child of five. GROUCHO MARX

Reshaping the modules list: the current situation

) 21) File Handle, Directory Handle and Input/Output Stream Utilities 22) Microsoft Windows Modules 23) Miscellaneous Modules 24) Interface Modules to Commercial Software 25) Bundles -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies

Curators of modules, changing namespaces, APIs vs Distributions

27;re interested in anyway - and AP's are the primary target market of this information. -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) The rich will do anything for the poor but get off their backs. KARL MARX

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

eries of "micro-sites" that have a page or two of relevant information, then link to the target site, and to each other. So, editorial content may have the desired effect of raising search engine rankings; especially the more they are linked to as a "primary" source of this informat

Re: Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

successful it will be considered auch a useful part of the archive that they would be distributed together :) Anyway, enough said on the idea ... -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) Not

Re: pure perl Zlib

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:19, Nicholas Clark wrote; > Autrijus suggested Compress::Zlib::PurePerl, which I think is > reasonable. ...but it doesn't use Zlib! :) Compress::Gzip? -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in

Module lists: defining the problem, restating the goals [was Re: OK, so we've decided...]

you propose would be an excellent step forward, and whether or not the editorial plan gains acceptance then it has merit. Unfortunately right now I have to move house :-) but I should be able to dedicate at some time this week to research and kick-start this recategorisation effort. -- Sam Vilain, sam

OK, so we've decided that the right modules are too hard to find.

ch shorter. Such modules would likely feature as "recommended" in the relevant sections. If anyone who knows of any similar re-categorisation efforts (is there anything useful on PerlMonks perhaps?), now is the time to bring them forward. -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PG

Re: Testing output to STDOUT and STDERR

lready DUP'ed the file handle (ie open FOO, ">&STDOUT") and prints to it normally > Its very annoying actually that there isnt a reliable and clean > way to intercept STDOUT/STDERR properly. (IMO) Other than fork and IPC, which bites and doesn't play well with the test

Re: Class::HPLOO - Need advice in attributes and object persistence for OODB.

an "extends" system it won't work too, since the persistence > system need to change the setter and getter methods, also inserting > "mask/layer" classes (proxy) when an object has some association with other > object. > > But the biggest problem in the definition, is how to just define simple like > in the "Prevayler" example, and also define the DB connection? > > Soo, before start to work on that, I'm just asking for some opinion from the > authors about the persistence system and the new attribute definition. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > Graciliano M. P. > > > > > -- Sam Vilain, sam /\T vilain |><>T net, PGP key ID: 0x05B52F13 (include my PGP key ID in personal replies to avoid spam filtering) I never loved another person the way I loved myself. MAE WEST

Re: Testing output to STDOUT and STDERR

if (@_); } sub glob { return \*STDOUT; } } Though, I must say that I prefer his API. The above was really just a quick hack based on what I'd extracted out of the ePerl code base. I'd call it something like IO::Capture if I were to CPAN it. IO::Seize isn't quite right, but

Re: "would you$please shut the door?"

ldn't want another one of those on CPAN.. :-) No, especially when Locale::Maketext is so very well suited to this task... -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give a small boy a hammer and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding. ABRAHAM KAPLAN

Re: "would you$please shut the door?"

r. The string and printing percentage > are both configurable (see the documentation.) Surely this should be in Lang::Courtesy::Random::En? -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sarcasm is not the lowest form of wit. Sarcasm is the sour cream of wit. Puns are the lowest form of wit, for which some

Re: namespace for module

f concepts, like giving a flat purple to the time. Do you mean an XML `Tree', `Fragment' or `Element' perhaps ? Out of interest, could you pass your module a DOM compliant XML Document, eg from Xerces/Sablotron/etc to work with ? -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are out to des

Re: [Module::Build] Re: How to indicate a dependency in my module

hat YAML is supported by PYTHON?! -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you cant learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly. ASHLEIGH BRILLIANT

Re: Another sticky module naming issue

have a look at Defer.pm when I get > some free time and steal the attribute stuff from there ... that is > if Sam doesn't mind ;-) Not at all, please go ahead. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded tha

Re: Another sticky module naming issue

[0]->{foo}; } package main; use Benchmark; my $thingy; my $obj = tie $thingy, "foo", "bar"; timethese(1_000, { "tie" => sub { ($thingy eq "bar") for (1..1000) }, "method" => sub { ($obj->FETCH eq "bar") for 1..10

Another sticky module naming issue

for the first time, and the result placed in the most efficient place for future reference. This concept is used by the Tangram internals to perform on-demand loading of data from the database, for instance. Available at http://vilain.net/pm/Defer-0.01.tar.gz -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL

Re: More on authors that don't respond

iterators; shift @$_while (@$_) $_->[$i++] while (exists $_->[$i]); I think the latter is better, though it doesn't work with sparse arrays. Caveat emptor? -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DWIGHT D EISENHOWER

Re: More on authors that don't respond

etc) Also, there are some stickier points; such as - is it reasonable to assume that if an iterator returns `undef' that it's finished? Should there be a similar set of conventions for resetting or un-getting items from the iterator? -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Real software engineers don't program in assembler. They become queasy at the very thought.

More on authors that don't respond

eriously. Don't make the FBI visit you. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Martyrdom' is the only way a person can become famous without ability GEORGE BERNARD SHAW

Re: what to do with dead camels ?

ing that authors want to know. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The rich will do anything for the poor but get off their backs. KARL MARX

Re: Naming Advice - Devel::DebugPrint

ht. If you restrict the scope to what you have described I think the name is pretty appropriate. -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://sam.vilain.net/ 7D74 2A09 B2D3 C30F F78E GPG: http://sam.vilain.net/sam.asc 278A A425 30A9 05B5 2F13 Please dont ask me what the score

Re: name of perl in MakeMaker

{FULLPERL},"\n"; close TEMPFILE; $mm->flush(); <<<<<<<< In the test script, you have to open "t/tempfile" to get the contents. It's a hack, but it works. Tested with 5.00503 and 5.6.1. I fall back to the $Config{perlpath} and $^X variables i

name of perl in MakeMaker

Hi all, How do you return the name of perl in your module's Makefile.PL? I have a module (Pod::Constants) that needs to invoke perl as a part of its test script. If your perl is not called perl, but say perl5.00503, then the test fails. Is there an easy way around this? Cheers, --

Re: repost: RFC: CPAN::Grab

better than `make tardist'. Which is > pretty good. You can specify package dependancies with MakeMaker, including version numbers of required packages. Surely that is enough information to build up necessary depends: relationships? -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://sam.vil

Re: repost: RFC: CPAN::Grab

Which reminds me. Is anyone working on a CPAN debian package archive? I remember Schwern making a joke about it after Ingy's plea for PPM help at YAPC last year. Did anything ever eventuate? At the moment, many packages are being built by the debian project, but it's far from ideal as they ten

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Module::Info 0.11

Hi there, I may be beating a dead horse here, but you can easily extract stuff out of the POD at runtime with Pod::Constants; our $number; use Pod::Constants 'THE MAGIC NUMBER' => sub { ($number) = m/(\d+)/ }; =head2 THE MAGIC NUMBER There is a magic number, that number is 42. =cut As