Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-05 Thread Adam Kennedy
I'll see to it that the pony goes into blead asap. Adam K 2008/10/4 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:55:50PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: > >> The magic ponies will be introduced in 5.8.9 and 5.10.1. You indeed >> will never have to upgrade. > > 5.8.9 will ship, poni

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-10-04 Thread Craig A. Berry
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Craig A. Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Steve Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Thanks, applied to bleadperl as 34446. >> >> Two local changes remain: >> >> Change 32357 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2007/11/17 04:19:47 >> >>S

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-04 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:55:50PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: > The magic ponies will be introduced in 5.8.9 and 5.10.1. You indeed > will never have to upgrade. 5.8.9 will ship, ponies ready or not. I don't see stable ponies in blead to merge. I'm not the only person who can commit to blead, s

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-03 Thread Adam Kennedy
2008/10/3 Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster >>> anyway :) > > Adam Kennedy wrote: >> True, but it's FAR more palatable to say "Just upgrade ONCE, and >> you'll never ha

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-02 Thread Michael G Schwern
Michael G Schwern wrote: >> 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster >>> anyway :) > > Adam Kennedy wrote: >> True, but it's FAR more palatable to say "Just upgrade ONCE, and >> you'll never have to think about it ag

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-02 Thread Michael G Schwern
> 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster >> anyway :) Adam Kennedy wrote: > True, but it's FAR more palatable to say "Just upgrade ONCE, and > you'll never have to think about it again" compared to upgrading > conti

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-10-02 Thread Adam Kennedy
True, but it's FAR more palatable to say "Just upgrade ONCE, and you'll never have to think about it again" compared to upgrading continuously. Adam K 2008/9/30 Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If the world upgraded regularly, Module::Build wouldn't be such a disaster > anyway :)

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-10-02 Thread Craig A. Berry
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Steve Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks, applied to bleadperl as 34446. > > Two local changes remain: > > Change 32357 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2007/11/17 04:19:47 > >Skip Module::Build ppm test -- not ready for prime time on VMS. > > (ppm.t) > > Chang

RE: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-02 Thread Steve Hay
John E. Malmberg wrote: > Jos I. Boumans wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:51 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.vmsperl/2008/06/msg14821.html >>> >>> The main problem is that Archive::Tar needs a patch to properly be >>> able to pack a VMS bi

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-02 Thread Craig A. Berry
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Steve Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blead is now updated to Archive-Tar-1.39_04 in #34452. > > One local change remains in blead: > > Change 32352 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2007/11/16 23:46:13 > >The new Archive::Tar tests are TODO on VMS for reasons unrel

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-02 Thread John E. Malmberg
Jos I. Boumans wrote: Hi John, On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:51 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.vmsperl/2008/06/msg14821.html The main problem is that Archive::Tar needs a patch to properly be able to pack a VMS binary into a tarball. We were waiting for word from J

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-01 Thread John E. Malmberg
Steve Hay wrote: Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient & nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the first non-beta release in a long time. Thanks, applied to b

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released - ppm.t on VMS depends on Archive::Tar patch.

2008-10-01 Thread Jos I. Boumans
Hi John, On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:51 AM, John E. Malmberg wrote: Steve Hay wrote: Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient & nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This i

RE: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-30 Thread Steve Hay
Ken Williams wrote: > Hi all, > > After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from > patient & nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version > 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the first non-beta > release in a long time. Thanks, applied to bleadperl

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-30 Thread Matt S Trout
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:07:47AM -0400, David Golden wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Adam Kennedy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as I'm concerned, configure_requires doesn't exist until > > there's prod release of both CPAN.pm and CPANPLUS that support it. > > > > Once there is

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-29 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 04:16:33PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Matt, I've met a lot of people who don't use Module::Build because you said > not to use it. They usually don't know why. There's already enough FUD > flying around without adding to it. Please either give us specifics we can >

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-29 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:33:09AM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was told it was a planned feature when KWILLIAMS turned up on london.pm > > and yelled "FUD" because I was complaining about users' problems in the > > real

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-29 Thread David Golden
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Adam Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, configure_requires doesn't exist until > there's prod release of both CPAN.pm and CPANPLUS that support it. > > Once there is, THEN we can draw a line under it, call it done, and > start recommending

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-29 Thread chromatic
On Sunday 28 September 2008 06:38:44 Matt S Trout wrote: > Never mind, I'll go back to waiting for it to be five years from now and > the toolchain to have worked round this brain damage. That's not helpful. When a project doesn't release a new version, some people say "Oh, don't use it! They

Re: How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-29 Thread Adam Kennedy
2008/9/29 Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Rather than a brute force "bundle your dependencies" there is now > configure_requires. You can set configure_requires => { 'Module::Build' => > X.YY } in your Build.PL and an up-to-date CPAN shell will do the right thing. > We've pressed hard to

How To Bundle Module::Build (was Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released)

2008-09-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
Matt S Trout wrote: > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 07:53:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: >> Matt S Trout wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: Hi all, After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from patient & nonpatient users

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-28 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 07:53:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Matt S Trout wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from > >> patient & nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-28 Thread Michael G Schwern
Matt S Trout wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from >> patient & nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version >> 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the fir

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Matt S Trout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was told it was a planned feature when KWILLIAMS turned up on london.pm > and yelled "FUD" because I was complaining about users' problems in the > real world rather than the problems of an ideal user that somehow magicall

Re: Module::Build 0.30 is released

2008-09-27 Thread Matt S Trout
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:01:19PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: > Hi all, > > After much tireless work by Eric Wilhelm and lots of feedback from > patient & nonpatient users alike, I'm pleased to announce that version > 0.30 of Module::Build is now on CPAN. This is the first non-beta > release in a