[Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-04 Thread Alexandru Nedelcu
Hi, I always respected Miguel de Icaza's judgment and he always has a good and sane point of view. I am a little troubled about the recent announcement, about the Novell/Microsoft agreement. Didn't Miguel de Icaza assured us that Mono was safe, that there are no known patents that Mono infring

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-04 Thread ted leslie
My brain still hurts on this whole thing. Here is what I'd _like_ to think : Microsoft isn't saying it will sue anyone over infringement, but its not saying (to everyone) its not. The "possibility" is enough for "corporate suits" to consider keeping Linux out of the server room (in some businesse

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-04 Thread Paul
> My brain still hurts on this whole thing. > > Here is what I'd _like_ to think : > > Microsoft isn't saying it will sue anyone over infringement, but its not > saying (to everyone) its not. The "possibility" is enough for "corporate > suits" to consider keeping Linux out of the server room (in

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-04 Thread Robert Jordan
Don't feed the trolls: http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2005-September/028775.html Robert ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-04 Thread Jonathan Pryor
On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 23:12 +0200, Alexandru Nedelcu wrote: > Didn't Miguel de Icaza assured us that Mono was safe, that there are no > known patents that Mono infringes, that .NET is an ECMA > standard, that even if Mono infringes on some patents then the Open > Inventions Network will protect i

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-04 Thread Jonathan Pryor
On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 20:26 -0600, R. Tyler Ballance wrote: > Forgive me for being naive, but regardless of the IP status of Mono, > or any of the Novell products, how on earth does the legality of their > product come under the realm of my responsibility, to where I can be > held liable for using

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello, You have some valid questions, and I have followed up to some of the concerns similar to this one on my blog: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Nov-04.html In addition, Jonathan Pryor has a good entry that explores the issue in more detail than I have done, and also is a good p

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread adam
>> My brain still hurts on this whole thing. >> Here is what I'd _like_ to think : >> Microsoft isn't saying it will sue anyone over infringement, but its not >> saying (to everyone) its not. The "possibility" is enough for "corporate >> suits" to consider keeping Linux out of the server room (in s

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello, > And here is the reality > > Try and find Corel Linux. You won't. Now find out why and you'll see > something very unpleasant. Getting into bed with the devil is a sure way > to get the wobbly dangly bits of your anatomy well and truly burned. The story of Corel Linux is much more compli

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello, > >> VP's to say - Put in Linux now, I feel totally safe with it. > >> Having said that - what happens in 5 years? [big question mark here] > > What happens in 5 years? Who the heck knows. This is a common practice, it basically means that the companies renegotiate the terms at that poin

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread Alex Nedelcu
Yes, thanks.This announcement generated a lot of negative feelings towards Novell.It has everything to do with Microsoft still being the main threat to our ecosystem.Anyway, time will tell if this partnership was good or bad for the open-source landscape. I am sorry I posted this topic here ... man

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread Alexandru Nedelcu
To answer my own question ... on second thought ... such a list would not be recommended. Not to mention the number of trolls it would attract (like me). Sorry ... stupid idea. ... I'll get back to hacking now :) Alex Nedelcu wrote: > I am sorry I posted this topic here ... many developers don'

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-05 Thread Atsushi Eno
Thank you for your lightening quick response to my private request. I am extraordinary glad to find that you are nice hacker :-) Atsushi Eno Alexandru Nedelcu wrote: > To answer my own question ... on second thought ... such a list would > not be recommended. > Not to mention the number of troll

Re: [Mono-list] Uncertainty and Doubt about MONO

2006-11-06 Thread R. Tyler Ballance
On Nov 4, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Jonathan Pryor wrote:*Where* did Novell admit anything similar to this?  To paraphrase theSCO case, provide file & line numbers for confirmation. :-)Microsoft & Novell only appear to have signed a statement saying thatneither company will sue the other companies customer