Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Stevan Little
Shlomi, Sorry, we have been postmodern for a while now, to go back to modern would be yet more fodder for the haters. Also, Moose is very much postmodern for all the reasons that have been cited in this thread already. It is not just us being arty software hipsters, but is truly what I be

Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Kip Hampton
Chris Prather wrote: I don't read Hebrew, so I'm basing this on the Google Translation, but the paper in particular seems to be hyperbolic with it's attacks. I certainly believe in a post modern relativist world but I also fully embrace the idea of an objective reality. Indeed, post-modern tho

Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Chris Prather
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Sunday 11 Apr 2010 18:45:33 Chris Prather wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I hope I'm not going to start a flamewar or appear as too domineering >> > (which I know has been an ongoing pr

Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Kip Hampton
Shlomi Fish wrote: The reason is that "post-modern" tends to have very bad connotations in art and philosophy, outside the narrow context of Larry Wall's presentation "Perl, the first post-modern language", which even many Perl programmers are not familiar with, and may give people who are f

Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 11 Apr 2010 18:45:33 Chris Prather wrote: > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I hope I'm not going to start a flamewar or appear as too domineering > > (which I know has been an ongoing problem with me) but I'd like to make > > the proposal in the

Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread John Napiorkowski
- Original Message > From: Chris Prather > To: Shlomi Fish > Cc: moose@perl.org > Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 11:45:33 AM > Subject: Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object > System" > > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Shlomi Fish < > ymailto="mailto:s

Re: Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Chris Prather
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope I'm not going to start a flamewar or appear as too domineering (which I > know has been an ongoing problem with me) but I'd like to make the proposal in > the subject: > > {{{ > Let's start referring to Moose as "the modern

Proposal: "Moose, the *modern* [not "post-modern"] Perl 5 Object System"

2010-04-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all, I hope I'm not going to start a flamewar or appear as too domineering (which I know has been an ongoing problem with me) but I'd like to make the proposal in the subject: {{{ Let's start referring to Moose as "the modern Perl 5 Object System" instead of "the post-modern Perl 5 Object S