Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-21 Thread Thomas Swift
--- Andy Driscoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would suggest you have little choice. You won't stop buying anything because of the exorbitant executive pay of the manufacturers'/service providers' executives.> We will, and do, if executive pay increases the price of goods and services above

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-21 Thread Andy Driscoll
for those who, in times of moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante > From: "Pamela Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:13:55 -0800 (PST) > To: "Gary Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-20 Thread Gary Bowman
Andy makes a good point below. It IS insane that people don't throw a fit at indirectly paying towards astronomical salaries when we are getting upset about public servants salaries. I would suggest the difference is that I am not required to buy products from 3M if I feel that I'm supporti

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2001-12-20 Thread Bob Velez
Original Message Subject: Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times From: "Bob Velez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, Thank you, thank you, thank you! As a person in civil service (Hennepin County) I can't tell you what an enco

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-20 Thread Andy Driscoll
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Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-20 Thread Michael Atherton
wizardmarks wrote: > Michael Atherton wrote: > Her role is to keep people happy > > And, as Ms. Shreves points out, to provide a positive face for corporate > > donors. The fact is that any superintendent who tried to implement real reforms >that would truly have beneficial effects would end u

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-20 Thread Tim Bonham
>From: Gary Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >. . . >Regarding the comparisons to private companies and private schools. I >would ask how many of these corporations of comparable size and private >schools are bleeding $30 million deficits and still offering their CEO's >huge salaries and raises?

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Gary Bowman
It's good to hear responses from at least some of the very people who made this decision. I'm pleased to hear that Mrs. Johnson is indeed donating at least part of her raise. As I mentioned before, it's largely symbolic but demonstrates at least some willingness on Mrs. Johnson's part to be t

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread wizardmarks
Michael Atherton wrote: Her role is to keep people happy > And, as Ms. Shreves points out, to provide a positive face for corporate > donors. The fact is that any superintendent who tried to implement real reforms >that would truly have beneficial effects would end up > alienating so many peopl

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Michael Atherton
Gary Bowman wrote: > In conclusion, it's these antics that leave many people with the belief that money >is being misappropiated and tax increases are unjustified. I would openly challenge >Carol Johnson to return her pay raise to either the district or some school related >charity (PTA?) and

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Pamela Taylor
Gary, Thank you for your humble thoughts. I share them. I don't agree with paying someone more money to keep them from leaving a job they were hired to do because they decided that things within the job "went awry (and under their auspices, mind you)" and the end result did not turn out the way

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Bob Velez
Could anyone obtain a staff roster for an average elementary, middle, and high school with numbers of employees and their basic job (teacher, aide, admin, etc.)? If MPS are running so lean, where is the money going? As a parent with two kids in the current system (soon to be three), I am curi

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Catherine Shreves
I'm responding to the concerns raised about the Superintendent's pay raise. I can understand why people are concerned and have raised questions about Supt. Carol Johnson's pay raise, in light of the timing and the budget concerns. I'd like to provide some background for list members, because, unf

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread doodle
Gary Bowman writes; >I realize the value of spending a little now if it saves more later and the value of quality products (in this case, a quality leader for Minneapolis Public Schools). However, even with that consideration, I must confess that I am immensely hard-pressed to justify a $30,000

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Bob Velez
I couldn't agree more with Gary in his comments. We have the same issues with Hennepin County Administration: The County Administrator awards herself (via HR Dept) with a 44% raise increasing her salary ceiling to $40k over the GOVERNOR'S SALARY, over $160K! The reasoning: to keep the County

Re: [Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread loki anderson
I have a question about this pay hike. Were annual pay raises a part of her contract and was the amount specified in the contract, tied to performance standards, or was there a COLA? I know Ms Johnson has a contract with the district and would like to know how pay increases are dealt with in it,

[Mpls] Superintendent pay in tight budget times

2001-12-19 Thread Gary Bowman
Today's Strib (paper version, I couldn't find the article on the Strib website) talks about Mpls. schools Superintendent Carol Johnson's pay (it also discussed St. Paul Superintendent Patricia Harvey's pay, but this is a Minneapolis Issues post). Quotes from Board members and others go to great