[MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
Hi, MSEide+MSEgui 3.6 has been released: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/ New target: arm-linux (Raspberry Pi). MSEide runs amazingly fast on the Raspberry Pi. There is also a new project template for i386-linux -> arm-linux cross compiling and debugging. The necessary cross-comp

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] compiling mseide-msegui on ARMHF

2014-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Barton
On 28 Nov 2014, at 07:23, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Thursday 27 November 2014 21:59:02 Geoffrey Barton wrote: >> >> 1looking at the compiled file with 'readelf', it appears to say >> 'softfloat'. But also VFPV3_d16, which is a hard float. > > The target in "crossarmdefault.prj" can be s

[MSEide-MSEgui-talk] crossarm console

2014-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Barton
how do I crossarm-compile a console app, apart from hiding the form? Geoffrey -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards w

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] crossarm console

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 11:48:08 Geoffrey Barton wrote: > how do I crossarm-compile a console app, apart from hiding the form? > First make a project from the console.prj template. Then 'Project'-'New'-'From Template', crossarmdefault.prj, in 'New Project' select the *.prj file of the new cons

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/27/2014 01:02 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote: > I don't understand why so much discussion about Unicode support on FPC > list Did you read http://wiki.freepascal.org/not_Delphi_compatible_enhancement_for_Unicode_Support ? Here: "With Delphi XE, Embarcadero decided that the one-byte-per-ch

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: > On 11/27/2014 01:02 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote: >> I don't understand why so much discussion about Unicode support on FPC >> list > Did you read > http://wiki.freepascal.org/not_Delphi_compatible_enhancement_for_Unicode_Support > ? > >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] crossarm console

2014-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Barton
On 28 Nov 2014, at 12:39, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Friday 28 November 2014 11:48:08 Geoffrey Barton wrote: >> how do I crossarm-compile a console app, apart from hiding the form? >> > First make a project from the console.prj template. Then > 'Project'-'New'-'From > Template', crossarmdef

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/28/2014 03:20 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote: > The problem in FPC, I think, is they want to keep Old code, Delphi > compatibilities, implement new things... at the same time! Plus creating code for multiple OSes and processors. > > IMHO they should: > 1- Forget Delphi compatibilities, at least in

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 15:41:29 Michael Schnell wrote: > > In fact they do something like this by allowing the user to select > sevberal modes (e.g. "fpc" "delphi" and "delphiunicode") I.e. there are > several different implementations (and syntax) for several issues. > > But doing a decently

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Michael Schnell wrote: > On 11/28/2014 03:20 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote: >> The problem in FPC, I think, is they want to keep Old code, Delphi >> compatibilities, implement new things... at the same time! > Plus creating code for multiple OSes and processors. >> >>

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] crossarm console

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 15:25:12 Geoffrey Barton wrote: > On 28 Nov 2014, at 12:39, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > On Friday 28 November 2014 11:48:08 Geoffrey Barton wrote: > >> how do I crossarm-compile a console app, apart from hiding the form? > > > > First make a project from the console.prj

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/28/2014 04:04 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > Please forget the crap with "codepage aware ansistring", dynamic > encoded string and what not... IMHO, the reference counting "element-size and encoding-brand enabled" (tm) data type is a really powerful concept. But unfortunately there is no d

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Friday 28 November 2014 15:41:29 Michael Schnell wrote: >> >> In fact they do something like this by allowing the user to select >> sevberal modes (e.g. "fpc" "delphi" and "delphiunicode") I.e. there are >> several different implement

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/28/2014 04:04 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > MSElang has "string8" (utf-8), "string16" (utf-16), "string32" (UCS-4) > and "bytestring" which can hold any 8-bit encoding or binary data. > With that you also need TStrings8, TStrings16,and TStrings32, and all its siblings need 8, 16 and 32 inter

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Michael Schnell wrote: > On 11/28/2014 04:04 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: >> Please forget the crap with "codepage aware ansistring", dynamic >> encoded string and what not... > IMHO, the reference counting "element-size and encoding-brand enabled" > (tm) data type

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] crossarm console

2014-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Barton
On 28 Nov 2014, at 15:16, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Friday 28 November 2014 15:25:12 Geoffrey Barton wrote: >> On 28 Nov 2014, at 12:39, Martin Schreiber wrote: >>> On Friday 28 November 2014 11:48:08 Geoffrey Barton wrote: how do I crossarm-compile a console app, apart from hiding the

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 16:16:44 Marcos Douglas wrote: > > FPC has Unicode support since ages, it is named "UnicodeString". It even > > had it before Delphi before Florian killed it by making the reference > > counted win32 WideString a Delphi compatible OLE string. I unsuccessfully > > begged

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Michael Schnell
On 11/28/2014 04:23 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote: > If wants Delphi so, buy and use it! It still is not usable on Linux (and supposedly VCL applications will never be portable to Linux with Delphi). fpc can help. :-( In fact my colleagues need to keep their huge set of huge Programs compilable by

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Julio Jiménez
2014-11-28 16:29 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > > ... because it is a hobby project > where the purpose is not to produce tools for others for free but that the > developers have fun. > > Really? why do you think so? you can read at freepascal.org: "Free Pascal is a 32,64 and 16 bit professional P

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread misu kun
its really nice to see msegui/mseide still growing . keep up the good work . btw , do you have intention to implement code completion or its low priority ? -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Ser

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 16:41:31 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2014-11-28 16:29 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > > ... because it is a hobby project > > where the purpose is not to produce tools for others for free but that > > the developers have fun. > > Really? why do you think so? Ask Florian. Mart

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 16:41:57 misu kun wrote: > its really nice to see msegui/mseide still growing . > keep up the good work . > > btw , do you have intention to implement code completion or its low > priority ? > You know the story, don't you? ;-) Martin ---

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Julio Jiménez
2014-11-28 16:46 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > > > Ask Florian. > > I don't know if Florian reads this forum to respond. Perhaps I can find him on IRC. But for me it sounds like a response after a long discussion ;) Are you sure you didn't took his words out of context? :) -- Julio Jiménez Bo

[MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Updated mseconsts_es.pas

2014-11-28 Thread Julio Jiménez
Fix typo :( -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero mseconsts_es.7z Description: application/7z-compressed -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Repor

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 17:01:02 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2014-11-28 16:46 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > > Ask Florian. > > I don't know if Florian reads this forum to respond. Perhaps I can find him > on IRC. But for me it sounds like a response after a long discussion ;) > Are you sure you didn

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Michael Schnell wrote: > On 11/28/2014 04:23 PM, Marcos Douglas wrote: >> If wants Delphi so, buy and use it! > > It still is not usable on Linux (and supposedly VCL applications will > never be portable to Linux with Delphi). > > fpc can help. :-( > > In fact my

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Julio Jiménez wrote: > > > 2014-11-28 16:46 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : >> >> >> >> Ask Florian. >> > > I don't know if Florian reads this forum to respond. Perhaps I can find him > on IRC. But for me it sounds like a response after a long discussion ;) Are > you

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Julio Jiménez
2014-11-28 17:39 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > > For me that reads as that the compiler should compile itself, the rest is > not > important. This goal has been reached. :-) > Yes, long time ago. > BTW, this position is absolutely understandable, why should FPC core work > for > free for us? >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Friday 28 November 2014 17:01:02 Julio Jiménez wrote: >> 2014-11-28 16:46 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : >> > Ask Florian. >> >> I don't know if Florian reads this forum to respond. Perhaps I can find him >> on IRC. But for me it sounds l

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 16:41:57 misu kun wrote: > its really nice to see msegui/mseide still growing . > keep up the good work . > > btw , do you have intention to implement code completion or its low > priority ? > http://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,26601.msg163745.html#msg163

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 18:00:38 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > I think both (FPC devs and you) are using the same criterias. You aren't > going to develop in MSEide something you don't like or don't need. (is not > fun for you) This brings to my brain.. PDF support, > autocompletion, code > format..

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Updated mseconsts_es.pas

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 17:21:11 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Fix typo :( Applied, thanks. Martin -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Report

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSElang, status

2014-11-28 Thread Julio Jiménez
2014-11-28 18:25 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > > The problem with PDF is that it does not provide the calculation options > that > PostScript offers. MSEgui PostScript driver makes the precision text > placement in the PostScript code with the actually loaded font. PDF can't > do > this, there on

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Edson H
First of all, congratulations for this Project. I'm new to MSEide-MSEgui, so probably I'm making something wrong. My system Win32 - Windows 7. My suggestions: * Make it more easy to install and use. You can download Lazarus and use it inmmediatly, without configure anything. I'm spending half

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Edson H
Do you have to configure the FPC and the GDB too? I didn't read it on the "README,txt". It's very complicated to create a simple project. There is not a default path or name. The Open dialog is something strange. There is a console window with a error message: "Syntaxdeffile: Unable to open f

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Patrick Goupell
On 11/28/2014 01:10 PM, Edson H wrote: First of all, congratulations for this Project. I'm new to MSEide-MSEgui, so probably I'm making something wrong. My system Win32 - Windows 7. My suggestions: * Make it more easy to install and use. You can download Lazarus and use it inmmediatly, with

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 19:10:31 Edson H wrote: > First of all, congratulations for this Project. > > I'm new to MSEide-MSEgui, so probably I'm making something wrong. > > My system Win32 - Windows 7. > > My suggestions: > > * Make it more easy to install and use. You can download Lazarus and us

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui version 3.6

2014-11-28 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 28 November 2014 19:38:36 Edson H wrote: > Do you have to configure the FPC and the GDB too? I didn't read it on the > "README,txt". > The ${FPCDIR} and ${FPCLIBDIR} macros are not used by the MSEgui project templates, you can use them in your own settings if you like. ${DEBUGGER} must b