Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-07-01 Thread Sieghard
Hallo Ivanko, Du schriebst am Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:05:23 +0500: > Hmmm. Seems right now you're a little overpaid or underworked? > === > Every good specialist will eventually become such :) Hmmm - I guess these will have it the other way 'round: overworked and underpaid... };-> -- (

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-07-01 Thread Sieghard
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:09:55 +0200: > If the MSEide+MSEgui community starts a well structured documenting > process I'll provide the necessary details. But first I want to see > something reasonable. You _do_ know what every programmer wants to work at the least. ]:->

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-07-01 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 01/07/13 20:23, Ivanko B wrote: > > TCL/TK, with its only debugging facilities of writting to console/log file. That's what I use now with Free Pascal! :) I use a customised dbugintf unit and my own Debug Server to display logs and fpGUI types. I also often use the tiLog unit from the tiOPF p

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-07-01 Thread Ivanko B
> I don't know of any other language that has such bad debugger support like > FPC's Object Pascal. TCL/TK, with its only debugging facilities of writting to console/log file. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Window

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-07-01 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 29/06/13 20:17, Martin Schreiber wrote: >> >> Yes, because I think Object Pascal as it was originally designed by Borland >> is >> near by my ideal. > > Indeed, and I commend you for your efforts. > > Please consider building a debugge

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-07-01 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 29/06/13 20:17, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > Yes, because I think Object Pascal as it was originally designed by Borland > is > near by my ideal. Indeed, and I commend you for your efforts. Please consider building a debugger at the same time as the compiler. GDB is just awful for Object Pas

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Monday 01 July 2013 06:54:29 Ivanko B wrote: > btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . > this product has a bright future. > > If one needs to program smth 1) with good quality 2) fully unicode > transparent & 2) ASAP then MSEgui is one's choice. The

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread Ivanko B
Hmmm. Seems right now you're a little overpaid or underworked? === Every good specialist will eventually become such :) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/s

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread Ivanko B
btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . this product has a bright future. If one needs to program smth 1) with good quality 2) fully unicode transparent & 2) ASAP then MSEgui is one's choice. The only (big) problem is the lack of API library docs on some

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 30 June 2013 01:24:08 Sieghard wrote: > Hallo Martin, > > Du schriebst am Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:45:52 +0200: > > [own Pascal compiler] > [...] > > That's certainly an interesting feat, but it'if s not done full time, it > will almost certainly become a never ending story... It will be done

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread Sieghard
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:45:52 +0200: [own Pascal compiler] > > Will be the existing code compatible? > > > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > productive universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > Main goals are simplicity, ea

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 30 June 2013 10:15:08 airpas wrote: > wow , greate ide + great GUI + new compiler ! , if this happen your > name will be written in history . belive me > ;-) > > i'll stay tuned too . > > btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . > Where are you living? Martin -

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-30 Thread airpas
wow , greate ide + great GUI + new compiler ! , if this happen your name will be written in history . belive me i'll stay tuned too . btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . this product has a bright future 2013/6/29, Martin Schreiber : > On Saturday 29 June 2013 21:

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 21:42:24 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Yes Borland did a great job even when Delphi was full of bugs :D > > So, may I think you are unhappy with the direction that FPC is following or > simply you think can make a better tool? > Both. > You know, Pascal community is not big and d

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Julio Jiménez
Yes Borland did a great job even when Delphi was full of bugs :D So, may I think you are unhappy with the direction that FPC is following or simply you think can make a better tool? You know, Pascal community is not big and dividing efforts is not probably a good idea. Probably you have your good

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 20:54:47 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > > > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > > productive > > universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > > You are speaking about a new Pascal/Object Pascal compiler/interpr

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Julio Jiménez
2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > productive > universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > You are speaking about a new Pascal/Object Pascal compiler/interpreter right? -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 19:44:08 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Intermediate code? something like CPython? A virtual machine like Java, > C#...? What about performance? usually intermediate code is slower to > execute. Probably a simple virtual machine. It is the first step in order to develop and test

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Julio Jiménez
Intermediate code? something like CPython? A virtual machine like Java, C#...? What about performance? usually intermediate code is slower to execute. Will be the existing code compatible? 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > Just curiosity, wh

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Med Hamza
IIF may be used as calculated field in Report or dbgrid For example function f(n):integer return IIF( n=0,1,f(n-1)); Codeblock Var cb:codeblock; cb:={|i,j| i+6j}; and we can evaluate with eval(cb,5,8) 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:23:22 Ivanko B wrote: > Not forking, a completely new design. > === > With friend classes, namespaces, some C++ featutes etc ? > No, more "back to the roots". Martin --

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > changes? > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > It is planned first to make a very fast table driven frontend with a small k

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 15:39:39 Med Hamza wrote: > Would you like to consider IIF() function and codeBlock > What is IIF()? What is codeBlock? Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Sto

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Med Hamza
Would you like to consider IIF() function and codeBlock What says the majority? Thank You 2013/6/29 Ivanko B > Not forking, a completely new design. > === > With friend classes, namespaces, some C++ featutes etc ? > > >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Ivanko B
Not forking, a completely new design. === With friend classes, namespaces, some C++ featutes etc ? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/window

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Julio Jiménez
np, :) Have a nice day! 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > > changes? > > > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > > > Lat

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > changes? > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > Later, I must leave now. Martin ---

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Julio Jiménez
Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc changes? An Interpeter too.. :) Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:10:40 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > An own compiler? forking fpc? wow... a big task for

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:10:40 Julio Jiménez wrote: > An own compiler? forking fpc? wow... a big task for only one man ;) > Not forking, a completely new design. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: B

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Julio Jiménez
An own compiler? forking fpc? wow... a big task for only one man ;) 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > Hi, > MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1 is available. > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/mseide-msegui/3.0beta1/ > > This is the first release without dependence on FPC FCL and streami

[MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1

2013-06-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
Hi, MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1 is available. https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/mseide-msegui/3.0beta1/ This is the first release without dependence on FPC FCL and streaming system. Please change "db" to "mdb" and add "mclasses" after "classes" in uses of your units if necessary.