Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
Cristov Russell wrote: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/InstrumentalStyle OK, I have a couple of issues with this :) 1) [...] It is a sub-style of the more general ExtraTitleInformationStyle. but http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ExtraTitleInformationStyle is defined as Additional information on an Album

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Chris Bransden
On 20/04/06, Bogdan Butnaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cristov Russell wrote: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/InstrumentalStyle OK, I have a couple of issues with this :) 1) [...] It is a sub-style of the more general ExtraTitleInformationStyle. but

Re: [mailing] Re: [mb-style] Classical common names

2006-04-20 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2006/4/20, Marco Sola [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moonlight maybe it's somehow the tricky example we are looking for because it has Beethoven's common name Sonata quasi una fantasia http://www.all-about-beethoven.com/moonlightsonata.pdf and the commoner ;-) you mentioned. Bah, let's try to put it down

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Chris Bransden
On 20/04/06, derGraph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Bransden wrote: eg we don't remove (live) if a track has only ever been recorded live. But we do remove the venue / date info. i was never too happy with that. i think it's best to stick with what they write on the tracklisting on the

[mb-style] ArtistIntent

2006-04-20 Thread derGraph
Simon Reinhardt wrote: And I'm very much for seeing (instrumental) as artist intent as it can clearify the general intended concept of the artists in a tracklisting. I guess we all agree that ArtistIntent overrules all MB style guidelines. But obviously we disagree what ArtistIntent actually

Re: [mb-style] new relationship type parody

2006-04-20 Thread derGraph
Don Redman wrote: I think I could issue a request for veto now, but want to clarify first whether (a) this should be just for the parody attribute, or (b) for medley, too. This seems to be a silent agreement for (a). derGraph ___ Musicbrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] new relationship type parody

2006-04-20 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:36:45 +0200, derGraph wrote: Don Redman wrote: I think I could issue a request for veto now, but want to clarify first whether (a) this should be just for the parody attribute, or (b) for medley, too. This seems to be a silent agreement for (a). OK, whoever wants

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:55:15 +0200, Nikki wrote: I don't understand why we need a whole guideline to say that. Agreed. I propose to simply add this to the details section of ExtraTitleInformationStyle. Once this has been agreed upon and a RFV has passed of course. Until then a separate

Re: [mb-style] SoundTrack AR

2006-04-20 Thread Don Redman
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:17:53 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: About mod 4578355, I started thread Contextual information in track title. Don Redman suggested I should propose a track--url AdvancedRelationshipType for imdb links. So here we go, my first AR proposal! Actually, there is already

Re: [mb-style] Clarification of instrumental track info

2006-04-20 Thread Don Redman
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:26:03 +0200, Bogdan Butnaru wrote: Second point: My argument stems from the fact that Simon/Shepard suggested if 'instrumental' is written on the cover, it's artist intent, so it trumps most guidelines. He didn't really say that clearly, but the mighty word artist

Re: [mb-style] Video on data tracks vs. DVD-Video vs. VCD vs. SACDvs. DVD-Audio

2006-04-20 Thread Don Redman
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:23:47 +0200, Beth wrote: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReasonNotToTreatDVDasCD This came up in IRC, and I was prompted to write this up. Figured it might shed some light, hopefully it wont open up more cans of worms. Well it is a very good summary of all the worms in

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Cristov Russell
Where would you suggest we put it instead? If it has it's own page it can be grouped appropriately where it applies but perhaps it really should just be part of an existing page. My thinking was that it should be part os ExtraTitleStyle but that page is already split into smaller components so

Re: [mb-style] Clarification of instrumental track info

2006-04-20 Thread Cristov Russell
That was probably my fault. I think I said artist intent when what I was really trying to say was what's on the cover and just didn't have a better shorter phrase. It probably was read literally (not unjustly) and therefore led to this back and forth. Do we have a phrase that better describes

Re: [mailing] Re: [mb-style] Classical common names

2006-04-20 Thread Don Redman
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:42:26 +0200, Nathan Noble wrote: Double common names are actually fairly common--no pun intended. Haydn's works are pretty bad for this. I use this syntax in that case: name common1 / common2 /...commonN, catalog Oops. That's dangerous. Space slash space usually

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Nikki
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 11:17:23AM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote: 'Foo (album version)' is relevant when there is a 'Foo' on the same release, which is a different edit to the standard. you can't get rid of (album version) in that case cos it's contextually relevent. This doesn't happen in

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Nikki
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 01:29:20PM +0200, derGraph wrote: Here's the first single I came across, and I'm pretty sure everyone can see which one is the album version: http://musicbrainz.org/album/0bb39765-5ed4-4292-9a98-93d526609e82.html How do you know that it's really the album version when

Re: [mailing] Re: [mb-style] Classical common names

2006-04-20 Thread Nathan Noble
I'm open to suggestions... -Nate --- Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:42:26 +0200, Nathan Noble wrote: Double common names are actually fairly common--no pun intended. Haydn's works are pretty bad for this. I use this syntax in that case: name common1

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Thomas Tholén
No, this information _is_ irrelevant! You do not need to have one track labeled (album version), even if some other versions of that song are on the disc, because the other versions will have a version identifier. Here's the first single I came across, and I'm pretty sure everyone can see

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Bogdan Butnaru
There's no way in hell to get back the information wether those tracks in reality are named Queer and Trip My Wire or Queer (album version) and Trip My Wire (album version). This loses data and makes the database less useful. Off-topic, but Isn't there an AR for this? -- Bogdan Butnaru —

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Orion
derGraph wrote: No, this information _is_ irrelevant! You do not need to have one track labeled (album version), even if some other versions of that song are on the disc, because the other versions will have a version identifier. Here's the first single I came across, and I'm pretty sure

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Instrumental Style

2006-04-20 Thread Thomas Tholén
What would that mean? You can't have an AR between a track and nothing else. Maybe you mean a checkbox, but as far as I know we don't have those yet, even if they have been talked about a while. But even if there was a checkbox, that would be about as stupid as never putting the trailing