[mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Brian Schweitzer
>> > > In masses and ballets, I'd think so - at least I've seen it used that >> > > way with regards to those. I'm not sure what term would otherwise be >> > > used for opera and cantantas. (While we're there anyhow, does anyone >> > > know if there's a term for the collective numbered songs with

[mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Brian Schweitzer
>2008/2/7, Brian Schweitzer : >> >> Off topic, but does anyone know of any example work which does indeed >> >> have two common names? >> > >> >Well, from good old CSGStandard/JSBach: >> >Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus >> >tragicus)": I. Sonatina >> >Both the libretto

Re: [mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread symphonick
2008/2/7, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Off topic, but does anyone know of any example work which does indeed > >> have two common names? > > > >Well, from good old CSGStandard/JSBach: > >Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus > >tragicus)": I. Sonatina > >Both th

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread symphonick
2008/2/7, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My suggestion for a simplied release-artist determination tree is this: > > 0) The composer is always the track artist. > 1) All tracks are performed by the same artist, that artist is the > release-artist. > 2) All tracks are performed by the same

Re: [mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
On Feb 7, 2008 5:45 PM, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In masses and ballets, I'd think so - at least I've seen it used that > > > way with regards to those. I'm not sure what term would otherwise be > > > used for opera and cantantas. (While we're there anyhow, does anyone >

Re: [mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Jim DeLaHunt
Brian Schweitzer wrote: > >> Ok, my suggestion was not clear enough. What about operas, masses, >> cantantas, ballets...? Would the word "Movement" be really appropriate? > > In masses and ballets, I'd think so - at least I've seen it used that way > with regards to those. I'm not sure what te

Re: [mb-style] [Clean up CSG] Capitalization (and placement) of types and tempos

2008-02-07 Thread leivhe
leivhe wrote: > > *bad-looking* Mozart releases > Ouch. For "bad-looking", please read "structurally incomplete" or something (and they might be newly submitted). I was not trying to be ironic, I was trying to be constructive and friendly. Sorry for the spam, list -- View this message in c

[mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Brian Schweitzer
I will say in advance, in IRC cooperaa showed me his proposal immediately after completing it. I had some difficulties with it then, and forewarned him that I would suggest a counter-proposal. I think the current proposal is simply a bit overcomplex. It also leads to a situation which I still, a

[mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Brian Schweitzer
>> Off topic, but does anyone know of any example work which does indeed >> have two common names? > >Well, from good old CSGStandard/JSBach: >Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus >tragicus)": I. Sonatina >Both the libretto "Gottes Zeit..." and "Actus tragicus" are usually >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Jim DeLaHunt
Aaron: Lots of thoughtful work on this proposal. Thank you. Aaron Cooper-3 wrote: > > Please take a look at > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalReleaseArtistsStyleProposal > Please share your thoughts and concerns. > * I think "How to determine" step 5 should be split into two steps, to m

Re: [mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread symphonick
> Off topic, but does anyone know of any example work which does indeed > have two common names? Well, from good old CSGStandard/JSBach: Kantate, BWV 106 "Gottes Zeit ist die allerbeste Zeit (Actus tragicus)": I. Sonatina Both the libretto "Gottes Zeit..." and "Actus tragicus" are usually printed

Re: [mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Brian Schweitzer
> > In masses and ballets, I'd think so - at least I've seen it used that > > way with regards to those. I'm not sure what term would otherwise be > > used for opera and cantantas. (While we're there anyhow, does anyone > > know if there's a term for the collective numbered songs within > > opera

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Aaron Cooper
On Feb 7, 2008 9:46 AM, Chris B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07/02/2008, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Setting the RA from performance ARs would be much more difficult > > because we'd have to figure out a way to programatically determine > > which one of the performance ARs to use

Re: [mb-style] [clean up CSG] Structural concept

2008-02-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
On Feb 6, 2008 4:40 PM, Brian Schweitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Can you explain "oeuvre"? > > > > > > Sure - I used it there in the dictionary's "The sum of the lifework of > > > an artist, writer, or composer." sense, essentially as one word to > > > mean the same thing as we've intend

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Chris B
On 07/02/2008, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7-Feb-08, at 4:43 AM, Chris B wrote: > > On 07/02/2008, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Please take a look at > >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalReleaseArtistsStyleProposal > >> > >> Please share your thoughts and conc

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 7-Feb-08, at 4:43 AM, Chris B wrote: On 07/02/2008, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please take a look at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalReleaseArtistsStyleProposal Please share your thoughts and concerns. i suppose i should say what i said in the other thread again for clar

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 7-Feb-08, at 4:17 AM, symphonick wrote: 3. If there is a CONDUCTOR who performed on all tracks, the conductor is the Release Artist. Isn't this just the opposite of what we're doing in RelesaseTitles: "Foo Orchestra feat. conductor: Bar Fu" (orchestra first?) Yes. We could have b

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Aaron Cooper
On 7-Feb-08, at 4:12 AM, symphonick wrote: 2008/2/7, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2. If there is a COLLABORATION between a small number of artists who performed on all tracks, the collaboration artist is the Release Artist. (This would be similar to our regular CollaborationStyle)

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread Chris B
On 07/02/2008, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please take a look at > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalReleaseArtistsStyleProposal > > I have attempted to take the existing ClassicalReleaseArtistStyle and > extend it to apply to cases where all tracks are composed by one > artist (C

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread symphonick
> 3. If there is a CONDUCTOR who performed on all tracks, the > conductor is the Release Artist. Isn't this just the opposite of what we're doing in RelesaseTitles: "Foo Orchestra feat. conductor: Bar Fu" (orchestra first?) -- /symphonick __

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Setting Classical Release Artists to Performers

2008-02-07 Thread symphonick
2008/2/7, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 1. If there is a SOLO PERFORMER who performed an instrument/ > voice on all tracks, the solo performer is the Release Artist. Yes. > 2. If there is a COLLABORATION between a small number of > artists who performed on all tracks, th