[mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Schweitzer
There currently are two related issues from the NGS developers which need debate and decision by the style list. Before I move either to RFC, I'd like to see if we can figure out just what guidance the RFC should actually give. As you may know, one of the new things under NGS is that artists now

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Schweitzer
The second question is one I've seen discussed (in the hypothetical, if we ever did have artist genders) many many times, including in http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2010/2010-01/2010-01-20.html#T18-26-42-754738 Question: Person artists currently can be set to (blank), male, and

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Mark Woodson
I would agree. I think assigning gender to a group would be a Bad Idea. It's likely to be a giant headache populating, gathering and vetting and an even bigger headache managing the information temporally. What happens when the lineup changes and suddenly a male group picks up a female lead? How

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Chad Wilson
On 18/02/2010 11:50 p.m., Brian Schweitzer wrote: Personally, I don't think groups should have genders. Would simply a group, like New Kids on the Block, being known as a boy band then make it a male group, rather than simply a group - and if so, wouldn't whatever special meaning is being

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:50:20 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Question: *Person* artists have genders. Should *group* artists also be allowed to have a gender? If so, what would a male group, a female group, or other group genders, pending decision of the

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-18 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: The second question is one I've seen discussed (in the hypothetical, if we ever did have artist genders) many many times, including in

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Paul C. Bryan
From an English perspective, where plurals have no gender, I'm definitely not in favour of having genders for groups. From a French perspective, while there seems to be some utility for localization (ils, elles), I can't help but wonder if localization templates couldn't just address this by

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-18 Thread Paul C. Bryan
Gender is a social construct, and is always necessarily correlated to genetics, birth defect, surgery, etc. I propose that gender is all MB should be noting. MB is not a DNA or health records database. My vote would be for: male, female, blank (unknown). If a gender changes, my vote would be to

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Not to get off topic, and I'm not the i18n genders expert, but I've been led to believe it's gets complicated; Romanian with three genders, various gender-based sentence-construction issues, etc - ie, things where a simple (if ugly) he/she simply doesn't work in i18n. Just with regards to French

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-18 Thread Paul C. Bryan
I meant to say and is *NOT* always necessarily correlated to genetics, etc. On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 08:25 -0800, Paul C. Bryan wrote: Gender is a social construct, and is always necessarily correlated to genetics, birth defect, surgery, etc. I propose that gender is all MB should be noting. MB

Re: [mb-style] Recording Year (or date) in Classical Release title

2010-02-18 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: No reason that I can see. So how shall we do it? I suggest that mentioning what the date is for could be useful, something like rec:1955 or rec.1955, which would allow to indicate a remastering date (mast:2002)

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Nikki
Brant Gibbard wrote: I think it needs to be clarified (and made as clear as possible in whatever explanatory information is shown on the page where this field is entered) whether this is field is intended to hold the gender (a grammatical term) or sex (a biological term). As far as I'm

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-18 Thread Kuno Woudt
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:55:09AM -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: The second question is one I've seen discussed (in the hypothetical, if we ever did have artist genders) many many times, including in http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2010/2010-01/2010-01-20.html#T18-26-42-754738